Mark Hawkins

[theprawnidentity]

Justin Hawkins tho

[mouth]

Mark now lives in my home town.

No intentions of posting details but it's my understanding he has had some quite big personal issues.  Certainly not making excuses for him but having been in a position myself where being brought low by life led to a stupid and un thought out move, I can at least feel some empathy for him.

I doubt he intentionally set out to grim anyone and I'm certainly sure a thread like this will not help his mental state at all.

[Simon Galloway]

I don't think posts are meant to be a public gibbet for misdemeanours, so whilst his mental state is unfortunate, it is useful information to be out there, given how much staking takes place.

[CHIPPYMAN]

When I saw Fish and Chips had joined I was expecting someone from Daves Fish Bar had joined to give Frankie mad rubs

Hahahaha

[kpnuts]

Used to be fairly friendly with him.
He's owed me five grand for 5/6 years and hasn't shown the slightest inclination to pay anything back.
Think it's fair enough for OP to warn others.

[CHIPPYMAN]

Used to be fairly friendly with him.
He's owed me five grand for 5/6 years and hasn't shown the slightest inclination to pay anything back.
Think it's fair enough for OP to warn others.

Why not sent "BOYS" to his house ? I m sure u knew where he live ! Just suggestion

[VBlue]

It's all well and good someone making a post like this and someone else contributing a comment along the same lines.

Unless it can be backed up it could be considered defamation.  How do we know there is any substance to these allegations?  Also, I am sure there are two sides to every story.

I could start a thread about someone and claim they owe me money.  In fact, I know of at least two people in the last year or so who do.  Can I back it up with anything other than my word - no unfortunately.

Is this forum the place to make this type of post?  If so, where does it end?

[CHIPPYMAN]

It's all well and good someone making a post like this and someone else contributing a comment along the same lines.

Unless it can be backed up it could be considered defamation.  How do we know there is any substance to these allegations?  Also, I am sure there are two sides to every story.

I could start a thread about someone and claim they owe me money.  In fact, I know of at least two people in the last year or so who do.  Can I back it up with anything other than my word - no unfortunately.

Is this forum the place to make this type of post?  If so, where does it end?

I think you are right here BUT I don't think someone will come here and wrote something that someone haven't done !! Don't think this problems should be solve in public forum. When he/she borrowed the money , I don't think that everyone in this forum knew about it but why now ? #PRIVATEMATTERS

[VBlue]

I think you are right here BUT I don't think someone will come here and wrote something that someone haven't done !!

I would say that is very trusting of you.  People do all sorts of things with all sorts of motives.  I'm not saying this guy is doing that, but how do we know.  Private matters indeed Frankie.

[TightEnd]

Hi we agree with you guys. If we were unable to corroborate the OP it would have been taken down as hearsay etc

In this case, as we explained on the day, we were able to speak to a person we trust who posts on here daily and who knows both the OP and Mr Hawkins closely who confirmed the facts. If we hadn't the post would have remained off the forum (it was orginally removed, but in this case we had an avenue to make an enquiry)

In these instances we balance out these factors with wanting to make sure an active staking community on here isn't denied knowledge about a situation

In general, the long standing 2+2 negative feeback thread is I think the first resource for these type of situations.

[aaron1867]

So there shouldn't be posts like this, that are there to warn and help the poker community.

[VBlue]

Aaron - I didn't say that.

Tighty - sorry I didn't pay more attention to your post on Page 1.  You have your process.  I'm not going to argue against it.

Simon/mouth - personal circumstances shouldn't be used as mitigation in any cases such as these.

I don't know more details of this.  Just voiced a concern about the post and that has received a response now.

[tikay]

So there shouldn't be posts like this, that are there to warn and help the poker community.

It's not that black & white though Aaron.

[CHIPPYMAN]

So there shouldn't be posts like this, that are there to warn and help the poker community.

When are y going to pay my £10 ? Not in black and white , IS IT ?

[kinghawko]

Have been alerted to this post by a friend.

Would like to state I handled things pretty badly, basically was near $1800 in makeup and dusted off the last couple of hundred being stupid on tilt. I should have faced up to backers and said what had happened but things had been bad for me personally so went off the rails and ignored it. Have offered to pay the backers back the money I lost that I wasn't staked for and even offered to grind back the rest of the makeup. However they have since handled the situation as badly imo, threatening me with debt collectors and insisting I owe the entire 2k even though nearly $1800 was lost completely legitimately grinding the games I had been staked for. Whilst its not acceptable at all, im sure im not the first and wont be the last person to tilt and do the last bit of a roll on games im not rolled for, and ive offered to pay this back.

KP you have my details, you can get in touch