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« on: September 16, 2013, 11:11:20 PM » |
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Mini FTOPS $33 buy in (re entry)
250K GTE
Blinds 500/1000
We are very new to the table, literally 5 or six hands in. No notes or reads on opponents. We have just lost a 20bb AIP pot where we opened AJhh from utg+2 and called a shorties re-shove so could be perceived as being slightly tilted.
Cut off opens to 2k playing 90k
Button 3 bets to 5k playing 57k
SB folds
Hero in BB finds AQ off suit playing 43k
Hero should?
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TL900
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2013, 11:35:39 PM » |
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4b/go with it vs button 4b/f vs CO/both in a vacuum imo.
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@MtSpewmore I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
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stato_1
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2013, 01:20:28 AM » |
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Hey mate, hope married life is treating you well!
I think what tl900 said is right (as usual)
If u cold 4bet it can defintely look FOS so btn may jam some pretty weak hands. CO will prob have to have something pretty decent to continue tho since hes got to worry about both of u
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millidonk
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2013, 06:20:10 AM » |
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ooi how much you boys 4bing to?
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rfgqqabc
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2013, 06:57:52 AM » |
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11629.
Dont think I fold vs either but I think my image would be a touch more ool.
TL post makes a lot of sense if you've been relatively tight.
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[21:05:17] Andrew W: you wasted a non spelling mistakepost?
[21:11:08] Patrick Leonard: oll
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TL900
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2013, 01:23:06 PM » |
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11629.
Dont think I fold vs either but I think my image would be a touch more ool.
TL post makes a lot of sense if you've been relatively tight.
What range do you think OR is 5betting our cold4 with readless? Seems v optimistic to get it in vs him. ooi how much you boys 4bing to?
I like about 13k the reason i like going a little bigger with than Adam is so that niether of the vilians can have a click 5betting range that isnt the nuts imo. So i would just fold to either of them if they click it back to 21k. Thy can still have a 5b pile bluff range which is why i would call if button jams. If hes thinking he can just make it 21k/call with his entire range but i dont think pople are thinking like that. |
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@MtSpewmore I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2013, 01:29:12 PM » |
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Cheers Tom, I was thinking along the same lines, also if we make it too small some sickos will just call the button and we are in no mans land if we brick.
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TL900
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2013, 01:50:32 PM » |
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also if we make it too small some sickos will just call the button and we are in no mans land if we brick.
ye i forgot to mention that but ye thats a good point and some people nowadays would definitely peel a v small sizing and it does suck so hard when it comes J84r or something and we have 1.5x pot left |
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@MtSpewmore I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
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rfgqqabc
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2013, 02:02:29 PM » |
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11629.
Dont think I fold vs either but I think my image would be a touch more ool.
TL post makes a lot of sense if you've been relatively tight.
What range do you think OR is 5betting our cold4 with readless? Seems v optimistic to get it in vs him. ooi how much you boys 4bing to?
I like about 13k the reason i like going a little bigger with than Adam is so that niether of the vilians can have a click 5betting range that isnt the nuts imo. So i would just fold to either of them if they click it back to 21k. Thy can still have a 5b pile bluff range which is why i would call if button jams. If hes thinking he can just make it 21k/call with his entire range but i dont think pople are thinking like that. Readless quite a tight range for sure, but still ripping pairs (88+?) and AQ+, but I'd fold to a click for sure. If he jams there is so much in there we cant fold. I think its really close between 4b/f and just straight up folding. This does seem really awkward but 4b/f is kinda gross. I wouldn't expect too many peels in this comp to that size but perhaps a touch bigger is better. But any bigger and we nearly have a 1/3rd of our stack in and I definitely don't want to be folding very often after we've wagered that much. |
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[21:05:17] Andrew W: you wasted a non spelling mistakepost?
[21:11:08] Patrick Leonard: oll
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BethalLizzle
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2013, 07:29:29 PM » |
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Hey mate, hope married life is treating you well!
I think what tl900 said is right (as usual)
If u cold 4bet it can defintely look FOS so btn may jam some pretty weak hands. CO will prob have to have something pretty decent to continue tho since hes got to worry about both of u
Hi mate, married life going good thanks. Poker......not so good!!! Need some of the Hulme run good!!! Thanks for the responses guys. Good to get input from better players than me. Still unsure as to whether 4b/c or 4b/f against either oppo is right. Think its pretty close either way given the lack of reads/notes/dynamic. Incidentally I butchered the hand and jammed pre.....button had it!!! |
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lucky_scrote
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2013, 08:53:15 PM » |
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tl900's line sounds good. CO so rarely gets it in here light. He's folding an absolute ton and will probably even fold AQ himself because this puts in him a really tough spot without any history.
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cambridgealex
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2013, 10:34:11 PM » |
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4b/go with it vs button 4b/f vs CO/both in a vacuum imo.
yeh agree with this. |
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