Levelling the Playing field....more Online software debate

[TightEnd]

Another article about banning Online Poker software, this time on Bluff

Beginning another thread as the "Rob Yong and DTD" thread got heavily into a lot of this and it probably needs its own area rather than being DTD-centric

The opening part of the article reads

"As Phil Galfond and Rob Yong call for the need to make wholesale changes in order to preserve the future of online poker, Michael Copley of PokerWinners argues that banning tracking software and databasing websites could be for the benefit of all.

 As poker players it’s our job to maximise our profitability and to find every ethical edge we can gain. It’s hardly surprising, then, that the majority of serious poker players use some form of poker software, such as Hold’em Manager, PokerTracker, SharkScope, PokerTableRatings or TableScan Turbo, as a way to maximise their edges.

 Through my position as MD of PokerStaking.com, I spend hours each day analysing players through Hold’em Manager to identify leaks or using SharkScope to identify strengths and weaknesses in game selection, as well using a HUD display in my own games to increase awareness of my opponents’ action. Contrary to popular belief, it takes hundreds of hours to learn the full benefit of these tools and only a few will ever learn to use them effectively.

 You are probably expecting me, then, to argue the benefits of these tools and to fight to keep them, but actually I believe it may be for the greater good to move towards a more purist poker world."



www.bluffeurope.com/PokerMagazine/Levelling-the-Field_147.aspx

[SuuPRlim]

God this is tilting.

[theprawnidentity]

Merging stacks tho....

[dwayne110]

As a 'rec', I'm not sure where I stand with this one. I'm all for analysis of hands/stats etc post-play to aid improvement, which seems the main argument put forward for retaining such software. At the same time, I can't see how pro's do not gain at least a marginal edge by using poker software correctly in-game to analyse opponent's previous patterns, whether it be how regularly they raise/3-bet/fold on flop/turn/river/enter hands, etc... the margins of success can be very fine in poker.

For those who use poker software regularly, how 'tilting' would it be to not have use of em? If it has the argued minimal impact players like Dave have suggested, why is it important to keep them? Say there was a consensus that most poker players preferred not to have poker software and it could be demonstrated it would encourage/retain newbies and weaker players (a lot of assumptions there I know!), what's the big deal in binning it?

I'll await Alex Goulder's next video installment to demonstrate what they really can do ...

[rfgqqabc]

I mean for me personally I'd feel absolutely fine without software, I very rarely check postflop stats and use it as more of a guide on new opponents. I know the tendencies of every h/l player who I regularly play with, but without my hud I would struggle to play 12 tables because I wouldn't have easy access showing when someone is playing 50/2 or 6/4 for example.  I pretty much try to have a very solid basic game which I use vs all opponents and by the end of the session I have less tables I can focus and try to exploit my opponents. On cash tables I tend to play a much smaller number of tables so rarely bother with a hud. Most of my cash game volume this year has been in 8game/horse/6O which have few games that are properly trackable.

[DMorgan]

God this is tilting.

Would be so tilted in Galfonds spot to even be associated with this. He proposed some great practical changes to be made by the pros to make the games more accessible to recreational players and his article has been hijacked by Team DeLorean who want to take us all back to '05 where knowing what beats what made you a winner at online poker.

[RED-DOG]

Do people multi table zoom / speed games?

[pleno1]

Do people multi table zoom / speed games?

8 at a time

[RED-DOG]

Do people multi table zoom / speed games?

8 at a time

If that's really true I don't get it.

I mean you're either involved in a hand or moving on to a new hand anyway.

[DaveShoelace]

Its to kill time for those annoying scenarios where you are in the big blind and some sod takes a full 2 seconds to think about what they are doing before its your turn.

I tend to 8 table zoom and do a rubix cube at the same time, and watch netflix.

[RED-DOG]

Its to kill time for those annoying scenarios where you are in the big blind and some sod takes a full 2 seconds to think about what they are doing before its your turn.

I tend to 8 table zoom and do a rubix cube at the same time, and watch netflix.

Lol.

[tikay]

Its to kill time for those annoying scenarios where you are in the big blind and some sod takes a full 2 seconds to think about what they are doing before its your turn.

I tend to 8 table zoom and do a rubix cube at the same time, and watch netflix.

Ha!

Nothing like enjoying the moment, eh?

Question.

In your entire online poker life, how many times (to the nearest million), have you seen, after some unfortunate sod has disconnected, this in the chat box?

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

I don't get cross at poker, or "bad beats" or all that nonsense, but when people type that I can't help but think what sad, unoriginal, unthinking souls they must be. I mean, really, is that the best they can come up with?

They must be spiffing table company in real life.

[RED-DOG]

Its to kill time for those annoying scenarios where you are in the big blind and some sod takes a full 2 seconds to think about what they are doing before its your turn.

I tend to 8 table zoom and do a rubix cube at the same time, and watch netflix.

Ha!

Nothing like enjoying the moment, eh?

Question.

In your entire online poker life, how many times (to the nearest million), have you seen, after some unfortunate sod has disconnected, this in the chat box?

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

I don't get cross at poker, or "bad beats" or all that nonsense, but when people type that I can't help but think what sad, unoriginal, unthinking souls they must be. I mean, really, is that the best they can come up with?

They must be spiffing table company in real life.

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

[pleno1]

Do people multi table zoom / speed games?

8 at a time

If that's really true I don't get it.

I mean you're either involved in a hand or moving on to a new hand anyway.

Waiting time between hands. Or lets say you bet on the flop on one table and a guy is tanking you have all of the others. Waiting in the bb. Or simply waiting on the button to potentially steal with any two cards but not twidlling your thumbs.

[RED-DOG]

Do people multi table zoom / speed games?

8 at a time

If that's really true I don't get it.

I mean you're either involved in a hand or moving on to a new hand anyway.

Waiting time between hands. Or lets say you bet on the flop on one table and a guy is tanking you have all of the others. Waiting in the bb. Or simply waiting on the button to potentially steal with any two cards but not twidlling your thumbs.

So do the extra hands you get make up for the inability to concentrate fully on one table?