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« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2013, 11:37:15 AM »

I love it when you talk dirty, Alun.

It's the inherent sexism on this site that encourages this sort of casual sexual harassment...
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« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2013, 12:12:37 PM »

casual sexual harassment...

I demand the sentence be suspended.

On what grounds?

The casual nature of the crime....


Really struggling with a gif for this!!!
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« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2013, 12:23:39 PM »

enjoy the above, Alun.


Part of my job is to check for articles for grammar, syntax and other errors. 

Although can't believe I missed this too. Irony?
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« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2013, 01:05:02 PM »

are we sexist or bad at English?

If using 'Blonde' is incorrect, is it not French we are being bad at? 'Blond' is rarely used in English. Or are we bad at both English and French?

It is, but it is more correct to use blond when using it as an adjective when referring to a man. If the word is a noun it refers to a female as far as I know.

That may have initially been the case when the crossover occurred, when surely everyone just uses 'Blonde' now for male and female. I have scarcely ever come across 'Blond' being used. Enough incorrect usage eventually causes changes in language.
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« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2013, 01:36:00 PM »

are we sexist or bad at English?

If using 'Blonde' is incorrect, is it not French we are being bad at? 'Blond' is rarely used in English. Or are we bad at both English and French?

It is, but it is more correct to use blond when using it as an adjective when referring to a man. If the word is a noun it refers to a female as far as I know.

That may have initially been the case when the crossover occurred, when surely everyone just uses 'Blonde' now for male and female. I have scarcely ever come across 'Blond' being used. Enough incorrect usage eventually causes changes in language.

True enough, but can't a man wind up tikay for five minutes?
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« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2013, 01:38:24 PM »

are we sexist or bad at English?

If using 'Blonde' is incorrect, is it not French we are being bad at? 'Blond' is rarely used in English. Or are we bad at both English and French?

It is, but it is more correct to use blond when using it as an adjective when referring to a man. If the word is a noun it refers to a female as far as I know.

That may have initially been the case when the crossover occurred, when surely everyone just uses 'Blonde' now for male and female. I have scarcely ever come across 'Blond' being used. Enough incorrect usage eventually causes changes in language.

Although having said that...

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/blonde_1?q=blonde
blonde
adjective (also blond)       /blɒnd/  US  /blɑːnd/
A2 with pale yellow or gold hair:
blonde hair/highlights
a blonde woman/a blond man

It hasn't changed yet Wink

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« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2013, 01:39:40 PM »

I always assumed it was called Blonde Poker because Colclough is rubbish at spelling.
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« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2013, 01:48:13 PM »


What does sexist mean anyway? Does it mean we make assumptions about people based on gender? Well no Shit Sherlock. That's like basing the assumption that mouse turds will roll on the fact that they are round.

Think the point is that there are as many differences in ability and character within each gender as there are between genders, so making assumptions based on gender is completely illogical.  btw shouldn't this thread be moved to the Cigar forum for a proper discussion by the gentlemen?
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« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2013, 01:52:44 PM »


What does sexist mean anyway? Does it mean we make assumptions about people based on gender? Well no Shit Sherlock. That's like basing the assumption that mouse turds will roll on the fact that they are round.

Think the point is that there are as many differences in ability and character within each gender as there are between genders, so making assumptions based on gender is completely illogical.  btw shouldn't this thread be moved to the Cigar forum for a proper discussion by the gentlemen?

It also means discriminating based on these assumptions.
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« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2013, 01:56:54 PM »

I always assumed it was called Blonde Poker because Colclough is rubbish at spelling.

I will, as requested, reply to the Rt Hon Welshman in due course, but Camel nails it.

To be fair, until the discussion, I never realised the incorrect or dubious spellage.

I do well recall having a bit of a to-do with Dave about the "silouette" Mascot, which I thoroughly disapproved of, as I don't much like that sort of thing.

Have to say, I'm not at all in favour of the "bimbo" thing in TV Poker shows either, but as you can imagine, that means I find myself in some very awkward positions from time to time. 
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« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2013, 02:02:18 PM »

I always assumed it was called Blonde Poker because Colclough is rubbish at spelling.

I will, as requested, reply to the Rt Hon Welshman in due course, but Camel nails it.

To be fair, until the discussion, I never realised the incorrect or dubious spellage.

I do well recall having a bit of a to-do with Dave about the "silouette" Mascot, which I thoroughly disapproved of, as I don't much like that sort of thing.

Have to say, I'm not at all in favour of the "bimbo" thing in TV Poker shows either, but as you can imagine, that means I find myself in some very awkward positions from time to time. 

A bit risque  ?
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« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2013, 02:40:52 PM »

The name isn't sexist, blonde can refer to men or women in English.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/blonde

As has been said, the logo is though.

Think I commented on this earlier in thread...

As a noun it only applies to women, this is from your link

noun
a woman with blonde hair.
 [mass noun] the colour of blonde hair:
her hair was yellow—not any shade of blonde, but yellow

As an adjective it can apply to either, but the traditional and arguably more correct usage is a blond man.

If you were using blonde as an adjectival noun (where you use a noun as an adjective) then it would be referring to a woman. A blonde.

Also from my link:

The alternative spellings blonde and blond correspond to the feminine and masculine forms in French, but in English the distinction is not always made, as English does not have such distinctions of grammatical gender. Thus, blond woman or blonde woman, blond man or blonde man are all used. The word is more commonly used of women, though, and in the noun the spelling is typically blonde. In American usage the usual spelling is blond for both adjective and noun.

Therefore, blonde can be used to refer to men and women in British English.
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« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2013, 02:43:11 PM »

I always assumed it was called Blonde Poker because Colclough is rubbish at spelling.

I will, as requested, reply to the Rt Hon Welshman in due course, but Camel nails it.

To be fair, until the discussion, I never realised the incorrect or dubious spellage.

I do well recall having a bit of a to-do with Dave about the "silouette" Mascot, which I thoroughly disapproved of, as I don't much like that sort of thing.

Have to say, I'm not at all in favour of the "bimbo" thing in TV Poker shows either, but as you can imagine, that means I find myself in some very awkward positions from time to time

Yoga can help with that  Wink
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« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2013, 02:55:12 PM »

The name isn't sexist, blonde can refer to men or women in English.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/blonde

As has been said, the logo is though.

Think I commented on this earlier in thread...

As a noun it only applies to women, this is from your link

noun
a woman with blonde hair.
 [mass noun] the colour of blonde hair:
her hair was yellow—not any shade of blonde, but yellow

As an adjective it can apply to either, but the traditional and arguably more correct usage is a blond man.

If you were using blonde as an adjectival noun (where you use a noun as an adjective) then it would be referring to a woman. A blonde.

Also from my link:

The alternative spellings blonde and blond correspond to the feminine and masculine forms in French, but in English the distinction is not always made, as English does not have such distinctions of grammatical gender. Thus, blond woman or blonde woman, blond man or blonde man are all used. The word is more commonly used of women, though, and in the noun the spelling is typically blonde. In American usage the usual spelling is blond for both adjective and noun.

Therefore, blonde can be used to refer to men and women in British English.

*sigh* Fine, yes I shouldn't have been so black and white.

Yes it CAN be used to apply to men, but it very rarely does and in almost all cases where blonde is used as an adjectival noun it means a woman. If you say you're having a blonde moment the implication is that you are referring to a blonde woman. Even the link you've used to argue your point makes that clear.
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« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2013, 03:11:22 PM »

I've deleted my original quoted post now. You're right it could easily be read the wrong way. I guess your quote of the quote will remain, but the context is better now as he can see what the intention was*.

* tikay deleted those posts too at my request
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