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Re: Yippeeee - Eriksson is quitting. Bad news is
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Quote from: ifm on January 24, 2006, 06:41:23 PM
Martin O'neil is the only true class act around in recent years but sadly unavailable now
he is available he is just taking time off to be with his family but given the right job and the right time he would be free to take any job, i think he will be at a premiership club in august
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IMO there are only two important factors when choosing an England manager. 90% of the team selects itself so there is no real skill involved in travelling around watching players and trying to find people to fit in like there used to be. That just leaves :-
1) Motivation. You need someone to inspire the team to play as a team and to play for the manager. This requires a manager that they respect (Not an easy task with today's multi millionaire players). I find it hard to put any foreign manager into this category, and the England manager that springs to mind as having most successfully done this is Venables (with the squad of Euro '96)
2) Tactics / Game plans. I believe that for a team to be successful at International level you must have adaptable systems to be able to cope with the opposition. Some people say that you shouldn't mess around with systems but surely the best players the country can come up with can handle strategic game plans. Sven was woefully inadequate at doing this, some of tactical decisions during Euro 2004 beggared belief.
Out of the list of potential managers (discounting the foreign ones because of my first point) I put 3 in the same category Allardyce, Jewell and Curbishly. All three get a mention as good managers at attaining success relative to the size of club they are at. But is this enough for an International role ? Big Sam has done wonders at Bolton by finding players on the cheap who can do a job for him, this skill is obviously redundant in the England role where the best players are already available. That leaves Maclaren who has mixed success at Boro where he has had money available, but I think he would certainly fulfil the first requisite as I believe the players would respect him due to his current coaching role.
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Quote from: owner on January 24, 2006, 07:59:49 PM
Sven was woefully inadequate at doing this, some of tactical decisions during Euro 2002 beggared belief.
england were there on there own and still lost
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cheers Iron.
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January 24, 2006, 08:28:14 PM »
Quote from: Ironside on January 24, 2006, 06:59:19 PM
Quote from: ifm on January 24, 2006, 06:41:23 PM
Martin O'neil is the only true class act around in recent years but sadly unavailable now
he is available he is just taking time off to be with his family but given the right job and the right time he would be free to take any job, i think he will be at a premiership club in august
Don't mind him at a Prem Club - but would be heart-broken if he managed England.
I think they should go for Bertie Vogts
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January 24, 2006, 08:30:55 PM »
wohooooooooooooo lets all join the berti for england get a petition up etc etc
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Quote from: owner on January 24, 2006, 07:59:49 PM
1) Motivation. You need someone to inspire the team to play as a team and to play for the manager. This requires a manager that they respect (Not an easy task with today's multi millionaire players). I find it hard to put any foreign manager into this category, and the England manager that springs to mind as having most successfully done this is Venables (with the squad of Euro '96)
Not sure how you can say that no foriegn manager can be be placed in this category regarding respect, Not many of the current squad would have a great deal of respect for the english names being brandished about except for stuart pearce(and that wont be for managerial reasons), Jewell?? Dont be silly....Allerdyce?? Has done great with bolton but would we all be happy with England playing his style of football? I certainly wouldnt......Curbishley?? Not really sure he has the tactical ability for top class football (Charlton are renouned for chokeing when the going gets tough),.....Mclaren?? When he was Fergy's assistant the united players raved about his tactical ability and man management(im a united fan) so i beleve he should be involved in the backroom staff but not sure he can deal with being the main man....Pearce?? He would be my ideal dream of an England manager but......Too early, maybe in 5 years.
The only managers that would command and demand respect ARE foriegn and top of the tree is obviously Mourinho and i for one would be happy to see him take it on a "part time" basis just like Hiddink does with PSV and Australia
The others are the great Sir Alex ferguson and Hiddink himself, whos record domestically and internationaly is superb
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wohooooooooooooo lets all join the berti for england get a petition up etc etc
http://new.petitiononline.com/BVEng/petition.html
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Quote from: Indestructable on January 24, 2006, 06:24:31 PM
I certainly will not be buying the News of the World again,
I Totally agree also, Why they decided to stitch up the nations manager(and team in the process) so close to the most important competition in the world in which we have an excellent chance of winning is a absolute disgrace,
The british press have ALWAYS had it in for sven (and to be honest he brings alot of it on himself) but there is no need to disrupt the atmosphere within the squad at this time just to sell a few extra papers, and it is always the news of the world.
They cant be football fans or they would be doing their upmost to help our nation not hinder it.
Sorry for these rants but football is my biggest passion and it really infuriates me when "outside influences" become involved and try to disrupt our national treasure.
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Eh? Sven has only been in charge of england for THREE losing games in competetive matches.
23 wins 7 draws 3 losses and he is a _bad_ manager? eh?
Do me a favour, use the sun/mirror/sport/notw for what they are ( toilet paper ) and read something that isn't full of shit.
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think i might have to order the N.O.W to be delievered each week infact make that 2 copies incase one turns o much with all that crying i am doing (crying with laughter)
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Quote from: Nemesis on January 24, 2006, 03:33:51 PM
This is the best squad of players ever including 1966
The 1966 squad wasn't even the bast squad in 1966... Jimmy Greeves was injured before the tournament and was replaced by the man who would score the goals to bring home the bacon
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Quote from: Gryffles on January 24, 2006, 09:12:05 PM
Eh? Sven has only been in charge of england for THREE losing games in competetive matches.
23 wins 7 draws 3 losses and he is a _bad_ manager? eh?
Do me a favour, use the sun/mirror/sport/notw for what they are ( toilet paper ) and read something that isn't full of shit.
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January 24, 2006, 10:28:34 PM »
Quote from: Nemesis on January 24, 2006, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: Gryffles on January 24, 2006, 09:12:05 PM
Eh? Sven has only been in charge of england for THREE losing games in competetive matches.
23 wins 7 draws 3 losses and he is a _bad_ manager? eh?
Do me a favour, use the sun/mirror/sport/notw for what they are ( toilet paper ) and read something that isn't full of shit.
and that means he is allowed to crucify the players in public, shag who he wants to shag, still have the tatical awareness of kevin Keegan, don't know what to do when your up against it, or just sit there and look up to the sky!
i don't read the papers you suggested but even a clown can work out he isn't the right man for the job.
More energy in a knat pissing in the bushes
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January 24, 2006, 11:27:10 PM »
i knew someone would bring out the win ratio - like i said in my first post ignore the stats - these are skewed by the weakness of the opponents in the qualifiers.
Lets talk about the defeats
2 defeats - France and Brazil - and we were winning both
the other defeat was against a bunch of league championship footballers who showed our superstars up
Defeats in friendlies to Holland, Denmark, Spain and Australia amonsgt others - and these werent your usual defeat - we were played off the park
Draw against portugal where he again showed no plan B
draw against nigeria in 2002 and draw against sweden.
For me he has had 3 good games - the obvious one in Munich (how long can he live off this) and the Denmark in 2002 and Croatia in 2004. Even the famous Argentina win was a lucky penalty.
When it really matters - he aint up for it
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