jjandellis
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« on: December 07, 2013, 01:08:59 AM » |
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I got 47k Utg about 40k Btn 46.5k Blinds 300/600 a 75 6 handed. Dude raise utg to 1200 my bb...kinda active dude flats btn I got jc9c n call...pot 4450 Flop t99 2 hearts I check..raiser bets 2.2 we both call...pot now 11k Turn 6 I check Raiser bets 3.3...btn flats...I   ?
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2013, 01:12:57 AM » |
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11.1k jam river
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@MtSpewmore I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2013, 01:51:49 AM » |
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11.1k jam river
Is flatting horrible u think?? i think u miss an absolute ton of value yes, u look sick strong but its irrelevant really
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@MtSpewmore I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2013, 04:34:22 AM » |
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I'd be raising the flop tbh, draw heavy board, we beat loads and people will stack off with overpairs.
I quite like a turn lead, although if the button is active, checking is probably better. 11.1k and jamming all good rivers sounds like a solid plan.
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[21:05:17] Andrew W: you wasted a non spelling mistakepost? [21:11:08] Patrick Leonard: oll
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2013, 12:47:12 PM » |
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this just isnt a tournament you can fold this hand in i'm afraid. You're right that your hand has decreased a decent in relative value when he goes all-in but i'd still be pretty happy about it.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2013, 12:49:29 PM » |
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would raise the flop though, calling the flop and raising the turn is a favorite move of everyone everywhere but it's never light and in game watching the hand I'd prolly be thinking "mmm looks like he has J9"
raising the flops makes it much more likely you're bluffing, also being OOP you give him the chance to pot control on the turn instead of being stubborn.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2013, 01:11:11 PM » |
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this just isnt a tournament you can fold this hand in i'm afraid. You're right that your hand has decreased a decent in relative value when he goes all-in but i'd still be pretty happy about it.
this sums it up well. I think you need to widen your ranges too. The 2nd guy only has hands that beats you! Why can't he have 98/97? Why cant the original raiser have one of these too?
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[21:05:17] Andrew W: you wasted a non spelling mistakepost? [21:11:08] Patrick Leonard: oll
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2013, 01:46:20 PM » |
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this just isnt a tournament you can fold this hand in i'm afraid. You're right that your hand has decreased a decent in relative value when he goes all-in but i'd still be pretty happy about it.
this sums it up well. I think you need to widen your ranges too. The 2nd guy only has hands that beats you! Why can't he have 98/97? Why cant the original raiser have one of these too? U reckon he can reshove 89/79 in this spot?? I mean the majority of players aren't. Whether they should or not is a different story. People don't like folding trips. It takes a strong willed/particularly nitty man to fold 98s pre. Not many combos left but if he can have T9 he can have 98. We can't fold with the price. Not far off getting the price for a house draw. It does look like we could be behind though. Not much fun.
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[21:05:17] Andrew W: you wasted a non spelling mistakepost? [21:11:08] Patrick Leonard: oll
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2013, 03:05:04 PM » |
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Its quite fast. Dont wanna be stacking off here in the main event
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2013, 04:57:35 PM » |
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OK so I folded.
/10 for flop/turn please?
We saying flop : raise > check call
Turn: Smaller check raise > donkin > check call
hands were!?
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ignore verndog he's a fool
'he had a deep run in EPT Barnsley'
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2013, 07:32:32 PM » |
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I don't understand your range for UTG guy. Why are we specifically putting him on TT+? I don't think you can say he jams every combo of every overpair.
Id also say he flats top full house a fair amount despite your sizing.
You're also discounting him opening any other hand 6 handed? He can't have K9s etc etc
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« Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 07:37:06 PM by MC »
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"Success is not final, failure is not fatal"@epitomised
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2013, 01:35:53 AM » |
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Fair enough.
I'm really not sure about this one, because I think generally you're ~dead. However I guess odds dictate you can just about flick in a call given how confident you are that UTG doesn't have us beat and we can do a get there sometimes and just mayybeeeeeee on a rare occasion we have the best hand.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2013, 04:29:10 PM » |
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I didn't realise they were BOTH all-in...wow thats a LOT closer. TBH I think i'd still call although I'm hating it a LOT more than if you're against just one. It's quite a quick comp and you're not far off getting the price to pairup/hit a J. OK so I folded.
/10 for flop/turn please?
We saying flop : raise > check call
Turn: Smaller check raise > donkin > check call
6/10 flop, 0/10 turn im afraid to say as it's played. I think if you wanna play the hand fast (which I think you should) you have to start on the flop. I wouldn't mind chk/call the flop (although I do think c/r is the better option) as long as we chk/call the turn. As we played it we have the bottom of a really strong range on the turn and we're now getting tons of money in when his range to put more in is also very strong, we could have chk/called the turn and be in great shape (we're ahead of a decent % of his value-bets) or we could have c/r the flop and forced a big chunk of his range to bluff-catch against us, but instead we've basically played it as to get the most action possible against the strongest parts of his range. So I have to sigh give 0/10 on the turn because I also think the sizing isn't too good because we should call off I think now even against two. Flop: Raise > chk/call - and neither is a mistake. Turn (as played) : Chk/call>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>donk>chk.raise (both prolly mistakes)
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2013, 06:16:40 PM » |
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Got to go broke here, live tourneys you'll see all sorts of villain hands turned over, can never fold with what's in the pot.
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