Weird Spot on zoom, no idea what to do...

[verndog158]

10nl zoom, no reads. Pre Flop maybe a little loose, but we had position, and assuming the sb calls, dont mind seeing a flop.

PokerStars Zoom Hand #109384596302:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2013/12/31 19:26:03 WET [2013/12/31 14:26:03 ET]
Table 'Klinkenberg' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: misters331 ($14.43 in chips)
Seat 2: $underDhood$ ($11.93 in chips)
Seat 3: klaudiotron ($7.27 in chips)
Seat 4: Ramgnioo ($9.99 in chips)
Seat 5: IntFX ($13.80 in chips)
Seat 6: iamVerndog ($28.48 in chips)
$underDhood$: posts small blind $0.05
klaudiotron: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iamVerndog [ ]
Ramgnioo: folds
IntFX: folds
iamVerndog: raises $0.20 to $0.30
misters331: folds
$underDhood$: calls $0.25
klaudiotron: raises $0.40 to $0.70
iamVerndog: calls $0.40
$underDhood$: calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [  ]
$underDhood$: bets $11.23 and is all-in
klaudiotron: folds

Sb open shoves, what do we do?

[pleno1]

absolutely dont fold pre initially, we have QJ!  v good hands that flops, turns and rivers well. when we get 3bet folding seems absurd? its basically a min 3bet, call and proceed with some cautiomn, but now we have top pair call and win vs ak or some random spew, if he has us beat then we have blockers to jj and qq and if he has kk ro aa then gg bro.

[verndog158]

yeah i like calling, im sure some views would be not to open QJos maybe? just couldnt work out any hands he might open shove 9x pot,  maybe? nut flush draws? would he ever do it with a 9?
can we assign a range?

[pleno1]

Huh we're in the cut off? Jq is 100% an open "top pair equity"

[verndog158]

fair enough, i know id certainly open here! ever find a fold?

[pleno1]

Nope.

[verndog158]

fair enough, i did call!

[pleno1]

wp!

spmetimes you jsut see like 77 here, people who assign ranges in these spots never assign enough just complete bollocks.

[verndog158]

ha he showed 
i got there, running diamonds

p.s (dont tell rexas )

[pleno1]

Ohhh I read the hh wrong, but yeh still all! I thought it was the 3bettor not the cold caller.

[muckthenuts]

Wish i hadn't seen results. I remember Lucky Scrote made a great post on something similar to this which i agreed with, but feel on this board folding is better.

Assnging a range is basically impossible in these spots as you can never know what our opponent will show up with here, but with it being wet and multiway and 3bet that it will generally be a stronger hand, perhaps disguised to look like a flush draw. We still have a guy to act behind us who certainly can find 9x/JJ/overpairs here and we can also just find better hands to call with in our range, such as when we have strong 9x or combo draws. I think the long term expectation of relinquishing 7bbs here should be greater than the times we call 110bb's.

[verndog158]

was no guy to act behind, was me in the CO and both blinds, the sb open shoved the flop. im guessing thought patterns change if the original 3 better is still left to act.
i wasnt sure, seemed a weird spot hence why i posted it, and i was fairly confident it would be a 5050 split too!

[muckthenuts]

Ahhh yeah completely misread HH lol. Yeah most of my post doesn't make sense then