time penalty in football

[Tal]

Sepp Blatter says he's fed up of players rolling around like they've been shot and coming back magically restored to fitness seconds later.

He wants there to be a timeframe where players who leave the field for treatment (or after treatment on the pitch) have to wait before being able to come back on.

Is this a good idea? Will it work?

Would the game be better if, if the physio and his magic sponge are required, you have to go off for, say, two minutes?

Would refs have to be tougher on heavy challenges, designed to get key players off the pitch? Would players be forced to play on despite being injured?

Reckon this could be an interesting debate.

[celtic]

Seems unfair, and unworkable.

Isn't this what injury time is for?

In before fergie gags.

[tikay]

Sepp Blatter says he's fed up of players rolling around like they've been shot and coming back magically restored to fitness seconds later.

He wants there to be a timeframe where players who leave the field for treatment (or after treatment on the pitch) have to wait before being able to come back on.

Is this a good idea? Will it work?

Would the game be better if, if the physio and his magic sponge are required, you have to go off for, say, two minutes?

Would refs have to be tougher on heavy challenges, designed to get key players off the pitch? Would players be forced to play on despite being injured?

Reckon this could be an interesting debate.

Whatever method is decided, something has to be done, it is bad beyond belief now. Every other sport must be laughing their heads off at football.

A lad goes down, rolls 8 times, bangs the ground in supposed agony, after even the tiniest of bangs. Anyone genuinely badly injured ain't doing no 8 roll drama. 

[DungBeetle]

Can't they just use video evidence retrospectively.  If the idiocy of Oscar is clear for all to see just give him a 10 game ban.  They will soon stop doing it if they get proper suspensions.

At the moment the risk/reward is out of line.  Penalty and red card for keeper if referee falls for it.  Yellow card and some minor embarassment if he doesn't.

FWIW I think this isn't a new thing - I remember world cups in the 1980s/1990s where the theatrics were absurd from the likes of Argentina, Portugal, Brazil, Germany and Uruguay.  Remember when Rivaldo got that Turkish guy sent off?  That was far more repellant than the Oscar dive.  It is only because it didn't used to happen too much in England that people think it is a new issue.

[DungBeetle]

And the flip side of the coin is the constant shirt pulling by defenders.  I have some sympathy with a forward feeling that he needs to make a referee aware of what is going on by exaggerating as it seems to go unpunished 95% of the time.

[DungBeetle]

Just don't see that the idea is workable.  Big centre back goes straight through the other team's star player and gets a yellow card.  Star player has to sit off the field for 5 mins.  How is that fair?  It won't stop a player diving and then jumping to his feet as soon as the ref has given a penalty so no need for treatment?

[vegaslover]

Can't they just use video evidence retrospectively.  If the idiocy of Oscar is clear for all to see just give him a 10 game ban.  They will soon stop doing it if they get proper suspensions.

At the moment the risk/reward is out of line.  Penalty and red card for keeper if referee falls for it.  Yellow card and some minor embarassment if he doesn't.

FWIW I think this isn't a new thing - I remember world cups in the 1980s/1990s where the theatrics were absurd from the likes of Argentina, Portugal, Brazil, Germany and Uruguay.  Remember when Rivaldo got that Turkish guy sent off?  That was far more repellant than the Oscar dive.  It is only because it didn't used to happen too much in England that people think it is a new issue.

This^^^^
Sooo much video evidence about nowadays that this should be standard, same for the shirt pulling

[Tal]

Retrospective action has a downside, though.

Barry Gale is a superb left footed player. He has the unfortunate habit of going to ground. Sometimes, it's because he's targeted by slower defenders. Sometimes, he's genuinely evading a tackle and can't keep his balance. But sometimes it's he's just going down. Every time he hits the deck, you'd think he's just found out his wife has died in an horrific accident, such are the anguished writhing and the heart-piercing shriek that accompanies it.

On one of these naughty occasions against Kensington Rovers, Gale sees the defender coming and gives it the full Eddie the Eagle. The ref clocks it. He gets a yellow card for simulation, wins the ball after the free kick, beats three men and scores. The FA have him up before their panel the next day and give him a ten game ban for impersonating a Frogman.

He is back in time to face the return fixture at Kensington.

Every team benefits from the absence of Gale besides the one team who should: Kensington. Actually, Kensington lose twice because their rivals all have a higher expected chance of winning their game because of the absent player.

Now, what Blatter is saying is that Gale should have to go off the field (say for 2 mins) every time he has treatment.  He can still be punished by the FA but it suddenly becomes riskier for him to be rolling about if he has to stay on the sidelines on an exercise bike. There are lots of pros and cons to this, but it does have the advantage of benefiting the team that is the victim of the incident.

[DungBeetle]

It's true it doesn't help the team involved in the match, but it's no different to when players get 5 match bans for dreadful tackles that the referee hasn't seen.  I think they should get rid of that stupid rule that if the ref gives you a yellow card then you can't be punished again.

The key is to bring the risk reward into balance.  The yellow simply isn't enough deterrent compared to the upside.

[celtic]

Dungbeetle should be the new FIFA president.

/thread.

[DungBeetle]

It would start with the odd pocketed Toblerone and a knowing raised eyebrow, but before I knew it I'd be caught up in a frency of dancers and cash before awarding the 2022 World Cup to El Salvador.

[kinboshi]

Footballers spend 90 minutes pretending they're injured. Rugby League players spend 80 minutes pretending they're not.

[rinswun]

Pretty simple answer. Do what they do in rugby. Stop the clock when the game stops for an injury. Sin bin players for a yellow. Pretty radical solution but it would eliminate both sides of the cheating/timewasting. No valid reason why either wouldn't work.

[kinboshi]

Pretty simple answer. Do what they do in rugby. Stop the clock when the game stops for an injury. Sin bin players for a yellow. Pretty radical solution but it would eliminate both sides of the cheating/timewasting. No valid reason why either wouldn't work.

Central timing.  Why on earth the ref has to be the one who monitors the time in professional football is beyond me.

[bobby1]

Posted this on a thread about 20 months ago, good to see they are getting there 


They need to have a panel to ref the games afterwards to log what actually happened.Then ban the players when they reach a certain amount of retrospective cards, every ban you get you don't get paid, 3 week ban means you lose 3 weeks money. The refs too, they should get points awarded for each decision, ones with the least amount of points get x amount of games ban depending on how bad it is.

If you did that at the moment no team in the land would have a squad big enough to play the fixtures, there wouldn't be any officials to ref the games and eventually they would all stop cheating when their teams were playing 6 versus 9 one week and as happened in a Scottish game a few years ago there was a guy from the crowd running the line.

Then when it goes bust we can start again and have the real game back