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« on: January 15, 2014, 10:46:57 PM »

In a tournament ..
Blinds 400-800
Player has limped UTG
Another player is all in for 3900
I have JJ in BB , my intention is to call and without saying anything I throw a 100 chip in , as I am picking up 3x1000 chips the player UTG pushes all in for around 20k . I fold my hand and the dealer asks me to put the other 3k in which I refuse to do stating that I never announced call, and that I should only forfeit the 900. The player wasn't happy but the dealer agreed with me ..
Is this the right ruling ?
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2014, 10:56:30 PM »

i hope not
you called 3900 imo
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2014, 10:57:24 PM »

In a tournament ..
Blinds 400-800
Player has limped UTG
Another player is all in for 3900
I have JJ in BB , my intention is to call and without saying anything I throw a 100 chip in , as I am picking up 3x1000 chips the player UTG pushes all in for around 20k . I fold my hand and the dealer asks me to put the other 3k in which I refuse to do stating that I never announced call, and that I should only forfeit the 900. The player wasn't happy but the dealer agreed with me ..
Is this the right ruling ?

you've called a 3900 bet
pay up or gtfo
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2014, 10:59:14 PM »

What???  So you want to call the 3900 then change your mind afterwards?  Maybe we can call an all in then take our chips out if we lose?  More worryingly, the dealer actually agreed???
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2014, 11:00:41 PM »

was it Redtooth or LPPL ?
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2014, 11:06:53 PM »

I assumed because player has acted out of turn before I have put all my chips in I have option to fold without putting any more chips in , considering I didn't verbally say call.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2014, 11:08:49 PM »

The action of throwing the chip forward is the same as calling, if the player who shoved did so after you threw the 100 in then your still deemed to have called the bet.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2014, 11:11:17 PM »

You lose the 100 you've already thrown in but you can keep the rest.

What do you reckon, Kanye?




Sorry, Mr Checkitdown. Kanye says it's 3900
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2014, 11:14:19 PM »

I assumed because player has acted out of turn before I have put all my chips in I have option to fold without putting any more chips in , considering I didn't verbally say call.
you put chips in
 its either a call or a raise you cant put 900 in when the bet is 3900

i do not understand why you did not raise to 8 and call off but each to his own

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2014, 11:24:15 PM »

Fair enough , I was wrong. unanimous decision it should have been 3900. It's just that so many times I have seen people limp in without realising someone has raised or gone all in before them and then they have just folded and lost the chips they put in. I'm assuming they are also wrong and should be held to calling the raise/all in ??
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2014, 11:29:45 PM »

Fair enough , I was wrong. unanimous decision it should have been 3900. It's just that so many times I have seen people limp in without realising someone has raised or gone all in before them and then they have just folded and lost the chips they put in. I'm assuming they are also wrong and should be held to calling the raise/all in ??

Usually when people are let off for this it is clearly an accident and not a barefaced attempt to angle.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2014, 11:48:21 PM »

It wasn't an angle shoot . If the dealer had told me the correct rule then I would have put the 3900 ( I think the dealer thought the same as me in that the all in out I turn gave me an option to fold without putting anymore chips , a sort of punishment for acting out of turn) . The whole reason I am posting on here is to find out the correct rule for future reference ( and to correct the dealer !! )
All the feedback has been much appreciated !!!
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2014, 12:07:54 AM »

It wasn't an angle shoot

my intention is to call and without saying anything I throw a 100 chip in

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2014, 12:27:04 AM »

It wasn't an angle shoot . If the dealer had told me the correct rule then I would have put the 3900 ( I think the dealer thought the same as me in that the all in out I turn gave me an option to fold without putting anymore chips , a sort of punishment for acting out of turn) . The whole reason I am posting on here is to find out the correct rule for future reference ( and to correct the dealer !! )
All the feedback has been much appreciated !!!

Its not out of turn if you've called though. Which you have, bar putting the chips
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2014, 01:10:43 AM »

I don't even get why it would be 900 you forfeit. 

Clearly you should lose 3900, but how did we ever get to 900?
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