SIck spot vs good solid reg in $320 tilt

[youthnkzR]

think youve misread the hand mate

Yeah I did. Basically what I was saying is he never has a total bluff. we have the  which decreases draw combos somewhat, and agreed is v unlikely he jams turn with KQ and only jams hands for value which beat ours.

Put that range in pokerstove and see if we're getting the right price to call.

Also, something which I think a lot of MTT players are guilty of is not factoring in their 'tournament life' and being too maths driven. I understand this may not be as much of a factor in what I assume is a tougher field, but in softer ones it seems a lot of people dont think about edge passing. This may be a spot if we're only just getting a price.

[dakky]

results trigg?

[action man]

i folded

[SuuPRlim]

Oh dear.

Obvious issue is he can have some semi-bluffs  /  but there is no other SD/FD combo's and obviously the most likey semi-bluff we block, could be going nutso with QT (I assume he has all QT's even the offsuit ones preflop) but the thread title described him as good/solid and I think losing your nuts here with naked QT (speshly with the punter in the hand) wouldnt be a very good/solid thing to do.

as for calling flop/foldin turn debate... Seems very unfeasible he's going to give up on the flop with any of the hands we beat, so the only merit to calling flop/folding turn would  be that he gave up a decent%, I think his range jamming the turn is the same as his range 3b the flop (or at least EXTREMELY close) so for me if we call flop 3bet should prolly call the turn jam.

I'm sure calling/calling prolly slightly better thaat shipping the flop.

I get a feeling you should fold to the flop raise, although it feels kinda FYL

[dwayne110]

Horrible spot, but I think I'm folding the turn bet, as played villain looks ridiculously strong and cannot expect us to be folding to a shove once we've called OTT. Just think our hand strength has shrivelled up in relation to the likely range of hands he plays this way, which is weighted mostly towards 2 pair/sets.  If it's a semi bluff then well played, next hand. I think calling the flop raise was an error if we're doing so without planning to fold the shove, which given the pot size and line by villain was always very likely.

[rfgqqabc]

Call flop and hit the middle button a lot. I kind of see the value in raising but not really. Trying not to be too results orientated because obviously what happens after our flop raise is the nut low outcome really.

[action man]

not sure if im a subscriber to the "if you call turn, you should call river" thinking. i think its pretty outdated, will explain why later too busy on the grind now

[SuuPRlim]

not sure if im a subscriber to the "if you call turn, you should call river" thinking. i think its pretty outdated, will explain why later too busy on the grind now

I agree blindlty sayingg "if we call the turn we have to call river" but it depends how his range changes street by street. if his range that raises the flop and his range that jams the turn is the same (or very close to the same) then calling one raise and folding the next is a mistake right?

[action man]

well, we don't know for sure he will jam turn. And a lot of regs like to value bet/commit with draws in these spots so i actually would have reacted differently to a non jam bet here.

and also as i said int he thread earlier i thought there was a good chance he was taking the lead in the hand with Kx to check back a heap of turns and not go 3 way to the turn, and probably thought my raise fo the fish's donk lead had a wider range than it probably does.

[action man]

so yes i think his raise flop range to jam turn range changes quite a lot

[action man]

how many of you with Kx as villain would just peel my flop raise? how many would click it not wanting to go 3 ways with the fish and have loads of horrid turns? 

[AlexMartin]

how many of you with Kx as villain would just peel my flop raise? how many would click it not wanting to go 3 ways with the fish and have loads of horrid turns? 

if I got here with ak I guess id peel flop, not many other kx id continue with to your raise. never raising flop to avoid shitty turns.

Id flat the fishes lead I think, also his coldcall range doesn't include some of the diamond combos mentioned I don't think so holding the is huge, cant really expect him to think we will fold anything after this flop action, so folding turn looks good.

[youthnkzR]

Can't believe I said fold in the past ITT.

Call.

[AlexMartin]

Can't believe I said fold in the past ITT.

Call.

why? his line is extremely strong, he's not going nuts with KQ here (is he?) and his value combos smash his semibluffs combo numbers by at least 3:1. He has no pure bluffs.