Zooming through more hands

[Rod]

Trying to improve my zoom game at the moment, this hand has been running through my mind a little bit. I have a couple of questions about it. Firstly in this hand I have QQ. My opponent in the hand is playing VP: 28 / PFR: 19 / 3Bet: 14. I have a note that say called 3bet IP with TJs.

My thoughts:-

1) Would I be better to just flat preflop?

2) As played how do I respond to a 4-bet is getting it in OK with QQ here? I have gone through my hands from this month and have not seen too many times when people get in 100BB+ with a range QQ does well against. Is this fair or is my sample size too small?

3) Should I bet the flop. Had planned to check/call one street but people with continue on the turn so often so maybe I should just either cbet or check/fold?

4) After he has checked the flop check/calling the turn is OK? I was probably going to call on most rivers too unless he bet it really really big.

5) Is there any value in raising the river after I make a a set?

PokerStars Zoom Hand #110514404925:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2014/01/21 19:03:47 WET [2014/01/21 14:03:47 ET]
Table 'Hydra' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: cdxp ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 2: hiikun ($27 in chips)
Seat 3: 33teetwo33 ($43.61 in chips)
Seat 4: tlaloc13 ($18.35 in chips)
Seat 5: jibi1983 ($9.53 in chips)
Seat 6: Smicha1 ($30.73 in chips)
hiikun: posts small blind $0.10
33teetwo33: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 33teetwo33 [ ]
tlaloc13: folds
jibi1983: folds
Smicha1: raises $0.42 to $0.67
cdxp: folds
hiikun: folds
33teetwo33: raises $1.58 to $2.25
Smicha1: calls $1.58
*** FLOP *** [ ]
33teetwo33: checks
Smicha1: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
33teetwo33: checks
Smicha1: bets $3
33teetwo33: calls $3
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
33teetwo33: checks
Smicha1: bets $6.50
33teetwo33: calls $6.50

[muckthenuts]

How many hands do you have on the guy? I would definitely 3b for value/call QQ pre against this particular opponent though know what you mean about it generally not feeling too great at 25nl zoom.

I personally would raise river and probably jam. More set and 2 pair combos than there are /xd in his range (basically the only way he can have a flush) and if he can even vaguely hand read he should think you can never have a flush here, so ideally you'll get looked up.

[SuuPRlim]

I don't know these games but are we sure he can't have a flush? He very unlikely to have the nut flush, but 89 9T T8 all possible and I'd say KT and K9 are very possible too. 78 is prolly along with /Xd as the flush combos I'd expect him to bet the flop with. I don't think the flop is an auto bet with a naked FD here.

I think the river is closeish...he can't have A6 A4 AA 66 44 and only 3 combos of AQ ( although makes a lot of sense) AJ very plausible as is JJ but I think given I think he can quite a few combos of flushes given he'd likely open all those flush hands for the cut off and very likely call the 3bet. And I think he'd bet the flop more often with AQ/AJ than he would with a naked DD hand I think I'd just call. So tempting though like amid says we just very infrequently have a flush so seems like AJ and especially AQ will have a tough time folding!

Would defo 3bet preflop vs the CO.

[muckthenuts]

I do think 2 diamonds in our opponents hand is an auto bet for him as we can easily have KK-TT and just be c/f flop like so many people will do at nl25, plus people generally tend to play pretty robotic/standard styles at this level. Figured /Xd might be the only one he might decide to cb.

[SuuPRlim]

Interesting. I would defo trust your judgement on this so I'm sold :-)

[pleno1]

meh dont expect diamonds, river bet is pretty small combined with the fact there is a missed fd, ofc he can have it sometimes, but v rarely. i think Ax checks back river a decent amount of the itme, so hes betting undersets, 2 pairs, a couple combos of flushes and maybe 1 or 2 combos of good Ax like AK. I would just raise to 16.78 and expect all the 2 pairs to not fold and defintiely not the sets. gotta get dat value!

[Honeybadger]

Given how he is playing, he may well have every single KT combo too - even the offsuit ones. No-one has mentioned this yet. Not saying this means we definitely cannot raise the river... just saying, that's all.

[Rod]

So do you guys think in general it is OK to get QQ in preflop at $25 Zoom? I have tried it over the last few weeks with really bad results. Sometimes I find AK but they seem to have AA or KK a massive amount of the time when I get 4-bet smallish. If I had faced a 4-bet here it is most likely OK to get it in Vs this player I guess but what about against a "random".

[Honeybadger]

Depends on the player and positions. If a multi-tabling nitty reg opens UTG then it is not usually good to even 3bet QQ in the first place. If a loose aggro guy opens the button we can play for stacks happily. That would be the respective ends of he continuum.

[Honeybadger]

The above ^^ should be obvious, but I thought it needed saying because of the way you phrased the question.

[doubleup]

Isn't there a big difference between 3 betting in position and getting 4 bet by the original raiser compared to 3 betting from the blinds and getting 4 bet by a player who could peel in position?

If you had:

qq on the button and 3 bet an utg open who 4 bet

qq in the bb and 3 bet an utg open who 4 bet

wouldn't you be more inclined to get it in with the first than the second?