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« Reply #165 on: February 15, 2014, 06:32:38 PM »

Just read a few posts calling for £5 pools. Agree.
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« Reply #166 on: February 15, 2014, 06:42:17 PM »

£5 pools for the win.

£10 to steep for me to do regularly. really like the site but earning £300ish a week (when working) means i cant play as often as would like.
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« Reply #167 on: February 15, 2014, 07:12:20 PM »

Lost the £10 pick 8 on the last race by following Bad Beats selection.  Thought everyone else would be on Captain Chris which most were and thought if I did well with other selections I would only need a place.  I got pipped by 5 points having had points in every other race.  Sigh.
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« Reply #168 on: February 15, 2014, 10:39:30 PM »

Lots of calls for £5 pools, and we are discussing it right now. It looks likely that we will bring a £5 option in very soon. Seems pretty much a no-brainer, but it took you guys to suggest it for us to start thinking about it.

This is great feedback, and we really appreciate it. Please keep talking to us and giving suggestions and ideas. We will keep listening.
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« Reply #169 on: February 15, 2014, 11:16:35 PM »

Would 1/5/25? Not be the best option?
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« Reply #170 on: February 15, 2014, 11:19:48 PM »

Would 1/5/25? Not be the best option?

That's exactly what we are discussing right now!
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« Reply #171 on: February 15, 2014, 11:38:36 PM »

No idea what's going on

Still not worked it out? Well I promised I would write a quick explanation for you. So here goes...

S&L offers a different way of punting on sports. Instead of gambling with the bookies, users gamble with each other. It is pools betting, which means you all put in money to enter and the winner(s) scoops the prize. Think of office pools or sweepstakes... it is the same basic concept.

So for example, let's say you are just about to watch a football match on the telly. You know it is better with a bet on it. Instead of making a bet with the bookies you choose to enter one of our pools for the match you are watching. When entering the pools you have to give your answers to (usually) 6-7 questions. For example,

Will Man United win?
How many corners will there be?
How many minutes until the first booking?
How many goals will be scored in total?
What will be the time of the last goal?

etc

You give your answers, pay your entry fee, and you are now in the pool. Perhaps 10 other users will have entered the same pool, so there is a decent prize to be won if you get more of your answers correct than the other users. You score for each answer that you get right, and the entrant with the highest score scoops the prize pool (some pools pay multiple prizes). You don't have to get every answer right, just more than your opponents.

The idea is that entering a pool like this gives you a lot more sweat for your bet than just backing ManU to win at the bookies. Some of the questions will be decided in the first part of the game (e.g. time of first goal), others will not be decided until the end of the game (e.g. time of last goal, total corners). So you get a sweat right the way through the match. Most of the time you will still be in with a chance of winning even near the end of the match. This is not the case with many bets with the bookies where the sweat has often gone halfway through - e.g. you back Wayne Rooney as first goal scorer...as soon as the first goal has been scored you no longer have a sweat, you have either won or lost but no longer have as much interest. A lot of sports punters like to make quite a few different bets at the bookies to make sure they will have something to sweat all the way through the match. With our pools you don't need to do this, don't need to spend as much money to get a great sweat. You can enter one pool, and get a sweat all the way through. Plus a chance to win some money.

When a pool goes live (i.e. when the football match starts) you can watch yourself move up and down the leaderboard as events unfold in the match. You can also see what your opponents have chosen for their answers. This means that you can work out what you need to happen to win. So perhaps with 10 minutes to go you work out that you need exactly 2 more corners and a yellow card. Now you have a really good sweat, praying for corners and a booking.

It is 'social betting' and this is one of the things that distinguishes us from the bookies. If you enter pools with other users that you know then you get to rub them down when you beat them. Part of the experience is about rub-downs, piss-taking, taunts and bragging rights.

This post has already turned out to be as long as one of my PHA posts! And I haven't talked about lots of stuff, for example not mentioned the fantasy games we offer. Really though George the best way to 'get it' is to enter a pool (we give you some free credits to enter your first few £1 pools). Next time you are planning to watch some sport on TV, enter a pool on it before it starts. Then have your iPad or laptop open next to you (works on iPhones too although it is more simplified) whilst watching the telly, and load up the live pool so you can see the leaderboard, watch yourself move up and down, compare your answers to other users, and work out what you need to happen for you to win money. It is fun.
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« Reply #172 on: February 16, 2014, 12:06:49 AM »

With zero corners in the first half (city vs Chelsea) will the points go to the two people who opted for 11 corners (first half x second half corners) or will nobody get points?

Ha ha! One corner first half and eleven corners second half (or vice versa). Could happen.

Or of course there could simply be no corners in one half and thus 11 is closest to zero lol. Unlucky pal ha ha Wink

At least if someone chooses 11 then no-one else is ever in a million years going to have chosen the same answer as them, and thus they will not have to share the points when they end up nearest. Oh...wait Smiley
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« Reply #173 on: February 16, 2014, 12:12:07 AM »

it would be great if this really takes off. maybe 6 months down the line the pools are huge.such a good concept.

brownnosing aside, when i buy my morning paper or a pint of milk i always go to a small independent shop across the road rather than any of the big chains.deffo costs a few pence more.big deal.likewise i would rather have a sports punt with this lot , who i believe are not run by a bunch of moneygrabbing shisters aka hills mugbrokes etc.

obviously  the people behind this are doing it to make $$$ , the fact that they listen to feedback and act on it (when feasible) makes it a no brainer for a bit of fun

good luck to them

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« Reply #174 on: February 16, 2014, 12:17:15 AM »

sounds good Stu. I'll give it a go!
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« Reply #175 on: February 16, 2014, 12:22:02 AM »

Lots of calls for £5 pools, and we are discussing it right now. It looks likely that we will bring a £5 option in very soon. Seems pretty much a no-brainer, but it took you guys to suggest it for us to start thinking about it.

This is great feedback, and we really appreciate it. Please keep talking to us and giving suggestions and ideas. We will keep listening.

Problem with having too many stake sizes is it splits the entries too much.

Would rather £5 replaced the £10 pool rather than ran along side it.

At least in the early stages of the site.
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« Reply #176 on: February 16, 2014, 12:32:28 AM »

it would be great if this really takes off. maybe 6 months down the line the pools are huge.such a good concept.

brownnosing aside, when i buy my morning paper or a pint of milk i always go to a small independent shop across the road rather than any of the big chains.deffo costs a few pence more.big deal.likewise i would rather have a sports punt with this lot , who i believe are not run by a bunch of moneygrabbing shisters aka hills mugbrokes etc.

obviously  the people behind this are doing it to make $$$ , the fact that they listen to feedback and act on it (when feasible) makes it a no brainer for a bit of fun

good luck to them

(even though they are all minted)


Thanks so much for that. It is really cool to see guys like you saying good things about our site, loving the concept, and wishing us well.

I am definitely not minted though. Skint member, me. But a skint member with a dream.
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« Reply #177 on: February 16, 2014, 12:44:31 AM »

Lots of calls for £5 pools, and we are discussing it right now. It looks likely that we will bring a £5 option in very soon. Seems pretty much a no-brainer, but it took you guys to suggest it for us to start thinking about it.

This is great feedback, and we really appreciate it. Please keep talking to us and giving suggestions and ideas. We will keep listening.

Problem with having too many stake sizes is it splits the entries too much.

Would rather £5 replaced the £10 pool rather than ran along side it.

At least in the early stages of the site.

Yeah it is a tricky one Keith. On the one hand we want to give users as much choice as possible (and let the market decide etc). On the other hand we are aware that in the early stages giving too many choices could result in diluting liquidity.

We are still discussing it and I genuinely don't know yet which of the two options we will go for. There are arguments on both sides, and perhaps no clearly right decision.
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« Reply #178 on: February 16, 2014, 12:46:11 AM »

Big fan of getting the "you've won!" email.

 
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« Reply #179 on: February 16, 2014, 12:55:23 AM »

Big fan of getting the "you've won!" email.

 

Lol Tal. Any thinner? Wink

It's been so long since I won a pool that I can scarcely remember what those emails look like!
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