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« Reply #210 on: February 24, 2014, 08:31:50 PM »

The Blonde private pool for this Thursday's PL Darts is now up on S&L. If you haven't already done so, please let me know your S&L username and I will add you to the permission list so you can enter private Blonde-only pools.

Also, Lil'Dave has a £100 private pool every week on the Darts (and on the golf too). If you would like to gamble with him and his boys then I am sure he won't mind me adding you to his permission list...
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« Reply #211 on: February 24, 2014, 08:48:36 PM »

Bodugi had its licence suspended today

http://t.co/yI81HKrAze
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« Reply #212 on: February 28, 2014, 10:24:17 AM »

Tied 1st in the Blonde Darts pool last night....happy days.
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« Reply #213 on: March 01, 2014, 02:56:55 PM »

Not sure I like the fact that in the horse racing pools you get an auto pick of fav if your selection is a non runner.  I am pretty sure there are people who pick confirmed non-runners in order that it's an effective free roll against the rest of the field. 
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« Reply #214 on: March 02, 2014, 01:32:58 PM »

Is there any way that you can see how you are doing in a pool?

The premiership footie one for instance which started yesterday, is that red disc with a number in it where you currently stand in the rankings?

Please excuse my techno-duncery which is not uncommon.
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« Reply #215 on: March 02, 2014, 02:38:20 PM »

Prob old news for you but it looks like Bodugi (who seems like main competitor) has gone out of business and lost gambling license in the last few days. Should be good for you. I think they lost a lot of money by offering stupid bonuses and being very poorly run in general

Bodugi had its licence suspended today

http://t.co/yI81HKrAze

I haven't been ignoring these two posts about Bodugi... just needed to see how things played out before I commented.

We are not surprised that Bodugi has gone out of business. They spent too much money on marketing and not enough on making the product work.

S&L's aim is to create a great product and grow virally, rather than hand out gimmicky free marketing stuff etc.

Whilst this is good news for us, it is not that big a deal really. Bodugi focussed almost exclusively on racing and the dogs, whereas our concept is to offer pools on almost everything.

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« Reply #216 on: March 02, 2014, 03:06:23 PM »

Not sure I like the fact that in the horse racing pools you get an auto pick of fav if your selection is a non runner.  I am pretty sure there are people who pick confirmed non-runners in order that it's an effective free roll against the rest of the field. 

It's a good point, and one that we discussed in depth when we first set up the fantasy racing pools. We decided that it is actually nowhere near as much of an issue as it might at first appear. Let me explain...

First, we do not put out the fantasy racing pools until the morning of the race, after the overnight non-runners have been declared, and we only put up declared runners. This means that only non-runners that are declared between around 10am and the close of the pool (usually around 1pm) are a potential problem. There will obviously be a few of these, but not too many.

Second, it is not always an advantage to be on the favourite anyway. In fact, in many cases it will be a bad strategy. This is pools betting, which means that part of the skill is to 'go against the crowd'. It is not just about getting the answer right as often as possible, it is about balancing this aspect with trying to make sure that you are not sharing your answer with too many others. In pools with a decent number of entrants a strategy of backing only favourites is likely to be a losing one. Longshot theory takes over.

Third, the option is open to everyone. So if you want to follow this strategy then you are welcome to (don't forget you can change your answers right up until the pool closes). But this is connected to the second point - it is usually not going to be a winning strategy.

Take it to an imagined extreme. Imagine that you are in a pool with 10 other players, and all of them decide to 'angle shoot' by choosing known non-runners for each race. This means that every one of them will be on the same selections (the SP favourites). This is a GREAT spot for you. Because, in effect, you only have to beat one player - but you receive 10 to 1 on your money. And your 10 opponents would be in a horrendously -EV situation. You'd be printing money in this spot! Of course it is (probably) never going to happen exactly like this - it is an imagined extreme. But the principle applies in a diluted form in every pool. In pools betting, these 'obvious +EV strategies' often actually turn out to be -EV strategies.

Finally, we needed to make sure that users who pick a horse that turns out to be a non-runner are not punished. This is especially important for users who just 'want a punt', because some of these guys might unknowingly select a horse that is already a non-runner (i.e. it has been withdrawn between 10am and 1pm). We don't want these users to feel done over in this case, hence the rule that a non-runner selection is automatically transferred to the SP favourite.

In the end, we needed to find a solution to the non-runner issue and we felt that this is the best solution. Yes, it may lead to the occasional opportunity for angle-shooting. But, as explained above, in most cases the EV of trying this angle is illusory - and often it will actually become a -EV strategy. 
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« Reply #217 on: March 02, 2014, 03:12:43 PM »

Is there any way that you can see how you are doing in a pool?

The premiership footie one for instance which started yesterday, is that red disc with a number in it where you currently stand in the rankings?

Please excuse my techno-duncery which is not uncommon.

Hi Ralph. The number in the little red disc tells you how many 'live' pools you are currently in. You can see how you are doing in any of these pools by selecting 'My Pools' then 'Live', and then clicking on the pool that you wish to see. You will be taken to the live pool screen, which shows you the current leaderboad, as well as your answers to all the questions. You can compare your answers to other users by clicking on any username on the leaderboard. You can also click on the 'i' icon for each question to see a breakdown of how many people chose each answer. So, not only does the live screen allow you to follow how you are doing at the current moment, but in addition by using the compare answers feature it allows you to work out what you need to happen in order to move up the leaderboard and win money.
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« Reply #218 on: March 02, 2014, 03:26:11 PM »

Is there any way that you can see how you are doing in a pool?

The premiership footie one for instance which started yesterday, is that red disc with a number in it where you currently stand in the rankings?

Please excuse my techno-duncery which is not uncommon.

Hi Ralph. The number in the little red disc tells you how many 'live' pools you are currently in. You can see how you are doing in any of these pools by selecting 'My Pools' then 'Live', and then clicking on the pool that you wish to see. You will be taken to the live pool screen, which shows you the current leaderboad, as well as your answers to all the questions. You can compare your answers to other users by clicking on any username on the leaderboard. You can also click on the 'i' icon for each question to see a breakdown of how many people chose each answer. So, not only does the live screen allow you to follow how you are doing at the current moment, but in addition by using the compare answers feature it allows you to work out what you need to happen in order to move up the leaderboard and win money.

Excellent. Thanks Stu.

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« Reply #219 on: March 02, 2014, 08:22:55 PM »

Will sign up and have a look, who wants a referral bonus?
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« Reply #220 on: March 02, 2014, 09:07:36 PM »

Will sign up and have a look, who wants a referral bonus?
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« Reply #221 on: March 02, 2014, 09:52:26 PM »

Hi Stu,

I hope you don't mind me listing something I think is restrictive in some pools. have seen quite a few pools that feature a letter of alphabet question. The problem with those IMO is it restricts your players from entering pools early unless they know they will be around to change their pick when the teams are announced. On a few occasions I've answered a number of questions and come to ' what will be the initial of the first/last player booked or first goalscorer' in a soccer game that takes place hours later and just left that pool alone if I know  there is a chance I won't be around in the hour or so before the game to check the teams. it just gives away such a big advantage to players that are able to select near kick off when they know the line ups.

I wondered if you might get more entries in some pools if those questions were not included.

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« Reply #222 on: March 03, 2014, 04:57:30 PM »

Hi everyone,

I work at Stakes&Ladders and would love to hear even more feedback from you guys. Everything so far has been very helpful!

I am particularly interested in making the poker pools more successful and fun, so if you have any ideas for questions that you'd like to see incorporated that you think would spice the pools up, I'm very open to listening.

You can either reply to me here to email me: annabel@stakesandladders.com

I look forward to hearing your suggestions and good luck in the pools! Smiley
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« Reply #223 on: March 03, 2014, 10:05:18 PM »

tried using it on my phone and is there a bug? it would not show markets for tonight and tomorrow only Wed onwards?
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« Reply #224 on: March 03, 2014, 10:35:05 PM »

tried using it on my phone and is there a bug? it would not show markets for tonight and tomorrow only Wed onwards?

Not a bug. Looking at the time of your post (10.05pm) it is simply that all pools for today have already gone live.
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