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« on: February 02, 2014, 07:47:06 PM »

This is fresh from this afternoon. 38 or 39 left at the time hand started. 36 paid. Min cash is £1k.

I have 70k at 3k-6k a1k. Average is 240k. Blinds will go to 4k-8k in ~20 mins. We are 7 handed.

I have for the most part of the last 7 levels been posting blinds and antes, have doubled up once when short, got the odd reshove through and been miserably card dead so folding a lot. I've given up quite a few opportunities to shove when the action has been unopened so clearly not shoving any 2 when given the chance. Hands seen by the table so far have consisted entirely of 1 hand where i shoved 12 bbs with A10 got looked up by 99 and doubled. I have however stepped up my shove and reshove frequency in the last 2 levels which has been noted by the better players on the table but certainly not shoving every chance.

Action folds to me which it has done roughly every other round. I am in cut off with  . I have a new player to the table in the bb with about 220k. The button is a lady who looked me up with 99 but has been tight and the sb has also been tight. Both playing about 150-210k

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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2014, 08:05:40 PM »

First impressions is a snap fold. 11bbs is not the end of the world. Surely a better spot in the next orbit or so to get AJ in v AK HAHA.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2014, 08:07:17 PM »

It is right on the border of a good cEV shove.  It would be an ICM disaster for you if you are called.  Just going to let it go.  You have 220k, BB has 70k, I'd answer differently.  
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2014, 08:08:49 PM »

Pretty sure a backer would cry if you did this. Don't know if its on your roll or not.
Would plug it through SNGwiz but its late. (I miss a tonne of jams) ICM has got to get us
to tighten up though surely even if it is 7 handed.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2014, 08:10:29 PM »

It is right on the border of a good cEV shove.  It would be an ICM disaster for you if you are called.  Just going to let it go.  You have 220k, BB has 70k, I'd answer differently.  
You commented saying pretty much the same thing as I posted that. Bit tired to read before posting mine.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 08:11:57 PM »

No backer, just me. Should not make a difference but i won a sat online which cost me ~65 pounds in total to get
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2014, 08:15:27 PM »

I wasn't sure i would get to the cash by just folding. Pretty sure i was at best 36/39 in stacks in the comp. would it be +ev to just fold and fold here? I still of course had designs on winning or making a run at the ft so didnt want to grind to dust
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 08:17:59 PM »

No backer, just me. Should not make a difference but i won a sat online which cost me ~65 pounds in total to get
Gratz on winning the sat. Its a nice profit then just to min.
Without taking ICM into consideration with a CSI of say 7 and ante's we would be looking at shoving 25%
of hands from the cutoff unopened. Would guess the bubble factor would bring that % down pretty sharp.
Did you Jam it Ryan Moon style?.
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2014, 08:21:02 PM »

CSI?
Jammed it in a non dramatic style matter of factly declaring i am all in
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2014, 08:22:30 PM »

I wasn't sure i would get to the cash by just folding. Pretty sure i was at best 36/39 in stacks in the comp. would it be +ev to just fold and fold here? I still of course had designs on winning or making a run at the ft so didn't want to grind to dust
If the £1000 is not the end of the world then going for the win is a much better strategy although I'm passing this particular hand.
Certainly not hanging about would want to get a few jams through in the next twenty Min's and hopefully double up in the process. You are by no means dead here.
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2014, 08:26:06 PM »

CSI.?
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2014, 08:27:29 PM »

CSI?
Jammed it in a non dramatic style matter of factly declaring i am all in
Chip status index most people know the term M that's used by Harrington basically the orbits of the table you can make with your chipstack.
You are a hero for getting it all in love the style. Heart!
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2014, 08:34:16 PM »

Oh ok...M
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2014, 06:42:57 PM »

so its a bad shove then?
what if i had say A-J or 77, should i be folding these for ICM reasons? i could have shoved KK and still lost as she woke up with AA... results oriented i know but what is the line here?
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2014, 06:50:55 PM »

so its a bad shove then?
what if i had say A-J or 77, should i be folding these for ICM reasons? i could have shoved KK and still lost as she woke up with AA... results oriented i know but what is the line here?



the equity you have with those stronger hands vs the calling ranges of the players behind you is the deciding factor for shoving those.
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