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jjandellis
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« on: March 03, 2014, 06:24:29 PM »

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2444062

Villain playing 32/11/0 (only a 19 hand sample)

On flop v PFR he folds to CB 50%/3b 50% (again super small sample)

On turn - no stats.

How are we extracting more value on this?

Don't know if can bet bigger on flop as still punting really, went down to 40% turn as still got some SD value and big ass draw. Kinda thinking fire 66-75% turn as good chance not gonna get paid another bet if the draw comes in; if it doesn't just check back or fold river...

Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 06:33:59 PM »

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2444062

Villain playing 32/11/0 (only a 19 hand sample)

On flop v PFR he folds to CB 50%/3b 50% (again super small sample)

On turn - no stats.

How are we extracting more value on this?

Don't know if can bet bigger on flop as still punting really, went down to 40% turn as still got some SD value and big ass draw. Kinda thinking fire 66-75% turn as good chance not gonna get paid another bet if the draw comes in; if it doesn't just check back or fold river...

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cant see you getting any more out of him after all you dont hit till river
if your hand was made on turn you could of maybe check backed the turn hoping he will bet call the river
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 06:57:38 PM »

bet river big imo. hope you've coolered him.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2014, 07:27:54 PM »

I wouldn't do that I think you'll induce some hero folds doing that. 2.4k eff stacks, 800 in there I'd bet like 650 or so.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2014, 12:08:58 AM »

I'd check turn, the only hands we get to fold are better ace-highs.

I disagree with betting big on the river. If we've coolered him then he's likely to put in a raise over a small bet, and we get light calls and bluff-raises from a small bet. Our range is uncapped and his is relatively capped.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2014, 12:18:08 AM »

yeh think im with Wazz on the turn bet.

66 55 33 are the only coolers really and he raises those w/e we bet, he cant really have a flush unless its 67 or 78 and he should defo not raise those over any bet-size, rest of his range is 77 88 99 44 I always prefer to bet bigger in the spots where i'm vs a fairly weak bluff-catching range because in my experience people caan be relentlessly stubborn but i think in general people swing the other way which is fair enough my experience in tourneys is not massive so happy to be directed otherwise.

This would always be a big bet for me in a cash game.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2014, 02:37:11 PM »

I bet turn here a turn, you get all A highs to fold out and all bluff catchers will call (and probably call river) so I'm not barreling here.

I'm happy with river bet size though. Surprised he folded tbh.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2014, 04:51:54 PM »

bet turn a ton of the time is what i meant to say
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