Dusk Till Dawn - April £500 Deepstack 8 Max £150,000 GTD *New and Improved*

[arbboy]

Why are you persisting with the re-buy/add on format?  There's an overlay for a reason.  There seems little point in advertising to those with smaller bankrolls that they can get in the £500 deepstack for a minimal amount, but then putting them at a huge disadvantage when they can't afford the £50 add on to get double the chips.  Those who might look to satellite in are satelliting in for a reason.  To then expect them to fork out a further £50 (when they won their seat through a £5 satellite) seems a tad unreasonable.

Sorry i must have misread this as a moan when it was positive feedback! My apologies.

[dwayne110]

lol... rather dry that, mr arb

[MLHMLH]

Why are you persisting with the re-buy/add on format?  There's an overlay for a reason.  There seems little point in advertising to those with smaller bankrolls that they can get in the £500 deepstack for a minimal amount, but then putting them at a huge disadvantage when they can't afford the £50 add on to get double the chips.  Those who might look to satellite in are satelliting in for a reason.  To then expect them to fork out a further £50 (when they won their seat through a £5 satellite) seems a tad unreasonable.

Sorry i must have misread this as a moan when it was positive feedback! My apologies.

jog on

[TightEnd]

Tonight the Oline day one of this weekend's £150,000 GTD Deepstack

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/events/500-deepstack/36625

9pm, late registration until 10.40pm

50,000 chips, 20 minute clock on the new structure

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/news/500-deepstack/2412

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Satellite into a Friday or Saturday day one with the normal 20 seat GTD at 9pm, with penny roll and feeders from 5pm

Please note at 7pm there is a 5 seat GTD £50 Final, from which you can play the Online day one

Click to see full-size image.

[YEAHMAN123]

I assume the same £5 sat players who moan about the add on costing £50 in the main sats once they have binked a £50 token do the same moaning in the £5 rebuy sats where the add on costs £5 when there are 50p sat winners in that £5 sat who can't 'afford' the £5 add on because they are only in for 50p or are they quite happy to have the add on because it suits them, gives them a decent advantage over the 50p token qualifiers and they can afford the £5?  Can't have it both ways surely?

I would think that significantly more bankrolls can support a £5 add-on than a £50 add-on.

Correct but the principle is the same there is just a zero added to the end of the figure. Rob needs 10 times as many £5 punters as £50 punters to get the same money into the prize pool so that fact goes without saying. All the 50p micro punters are hard done by the same way as you are moaning you are but because it suits u at £5 level it's not a problem to have the add on but once it goes out of your buy in range its a problem.  The £50 rebuy's will bring in as many punters who wouldn't play otherwise than it loses because the add on is too expensive.  It's a £150k £550 entry flagship mtt for DTD.  It's hard to get many people into it for a fiver in reality (1 out of 100 obv) do people actually ever really sat into these events for a fiver very often without actually having numerous sat bullets at it.  The vast majority of £5 punters are multi £5 bullet guys like me, vino and numerous others who spend prob close to the buy in every month playing sats to win multiple seats into £50s and then the add ons to go with it.  It's a nice dream to sell you won £35k from a fiver but the reality is that is pretty much never the case.  

Should the same be said for 1p freerolls compared to £5? Lol
I think most people who play any 50p ones do so to kill Time!( or is that just me lol)
What's wrong with moaning? Think the numbers and overlay each night is a indication maybe that is not everyone's cuppa cha.
Players like myself get frustrated because we want to play these great comps/structures but hit a wall with redic spendo.

It's down to rebuys/addons or freezeouts. There's no surprises with freezeouts. It's always hard to please everyone and Dtd try hard

Maybe mix it up!? One night rebuy next night freezeouts? Also think using tokens for rebuys in rebuy comps would be a massive plus players may lose reg fee for example but I myself wouldn't mind.

[arbboy]

I assume the same £5 sat players who moan about the add on costing £50 in the main sats once they have binked a £50 token do the same moaning in the £5 rebuy sats where the add on costs £5 when there are 50p sat winners in that £5 sat who can't 'afford' the £5 add on because they are only in for 50p or are they quite happy to have the add on because it suits them, gives them a decent advantage over the 50p token qualifiers and they can afford the £5?  Can't have it both ways surely?

I would think that significantly more bankrolls can support a £5 add-on than a £50 add-on.

Correct but the principle is the same there is just a zero added to the end of the figure. Rob needs 10 times as many £5 punters as £50 punters to get the same money into the prize pool so that fact goes without saying. All the 50p micro punters are hard done by the same way as you are moaning you are but because it suits u at £5 level it's not a problem to have the add on but once it goes out of your buy in range its a problem.  The £50 rebuy's will bring in as many punters who wouldn't play otherwise than it loses because the add on is too expensive.  It's a £150k £550 entry flagship mtt for DTD.  It's hard to get many people into it for a fiver in reality (1 out of 100 obv) do people actually ever really sat into these events for a fiver very often without actually having numerous sat bullets at it.  The vast majority of £5 punters are multi £5 bullet guys like me, vino and numerous others who spend prob close to the buy in every month playing sats to win multiple seats into £50s and then the add ons to go with it.  It's a nice dream to sell you won £35k from a fiver but the reality is that is pretty much never the case.  

Should the same be said for 1p freerolls compared to £5? Lol
I think most people who play any 50p ones do so to kill Time!( or is that just me lol)
What's wrong with moaning? Think the numbers and overlay each night is a indication maybe that is not everyone's cuppa cha.
Players like myself get frustrated because we want to play these great comps/structures but hit a wall with redic spendo.

It's down to rebuys/addons or freezeouts. There's no surprises with freezeouts. It's always hard to please everyone and Dtd try hard

Maybe mix it up!? One night rebuy next night freezeouts? Also think using tokens for rebuys in rebuy comps would be a massive plus players may lose reg fee for example but I myself wouldn't mind.

Nothing wrong with moaning at all but a bit of reality has to be applied to the argument.  It's a £550 comp it's not going to be cheap to get into as evilpie said by the very nature only 1 in 100 £5 punters get in so unless you are very lucky you are going to have to spend some substantial money to get into it.  If half the sats are freezouts then they will be £100 fo's or much lower buyins and then the £150k gtd will have to be reduced as the runners won't be generated.  Given the overlays in the £50s and how bad the majority of players attack playing the event i would far rather spend £105 on entering a £50 rebuy than enter 20 £5 feeder sats (most people who get into the £550 for 'a fiver' must spend at least £100 a month trying) which usually don't have any overlay.  The vast majority of players don't use optimal strategy to play these sats either so when added to the overlay i think a semi savvy player is about a 6/4 shot to bag a seat playing properly when they are investing £105 to win £450.  So getting nearly 9/2 about a 6/4 shot seems incredible value to me.  Yet people still moan.

[arbboy]

I assume the same £5 sat players who moan about the add on costing £50 in the main sats once they have binked a £50 token do the same moaning in the £5 rebuy sats where the add on costs £5 when there are 50p sat winners in that £5 sat who can't 'afford' the £5 add on because they are only in for 50p or are they quite happy to have the add on because it suits them, gives them a decent advantage over the 50p token qualifiers and they can afford the £5?  Can't have it both ways surely?

I would think that significantly more bankrolls can support a £5 add-on than a £50 add-on.

Correct but the principle is the same there is just a zero added to the end of the figure. Rob needs 10 times as many £5 punters as £50 punters to get the same money into the prize pool so that fact goes without saying. All the 50p micro punters are hard done by the same way as you are moaning you are but because it suits u at £5 level it's not a problem to have the add on but once it goes out of your buy in range its a problem.  The £50 rebuy's will bring in as many punters who wouldn't play otherwise than it loses because the add on is too expensive.  It's a £150k £550 entry flagship mtt for DTD.  It's hard to get many people into it for a fiver in reality (1 out of 100 obv) do people actually ever really sat into these events for a fiver very often without actually having numerous sat bullets at it.  The vast majority of £5 punters are multi £5 bullet guys like me, vino and numerous others who spend prob close to the buy in every month playing sats to win multiple seats into £50s and then the add ons to go with it.  It's a nice dream to sell you won £35k from a fiver but the reality is that is pretty much never the case.  

Should the same be said for 1p freerolls compared to £5? Lol
I think most people who play any 50p ones do so to kill Time!( or is that just me lol)
What's wrong with moaning? Think the numbers and overlay each night is a indication maybe that is not everyone's cuppa cha.
Players like myself get frustrated because we want to play these great comps/structures but hit a wall with redic spendo.

It's down to rebuys/addons or freezeouts. There's no surprises with freezeouts. It's always hard to please everyone and Dtd try hard

Maybe mix it up!? One night rebuy next night freezeouts? Also think using tokens for rebuys in rebuy comps would be a massive plus players may lose reg fee for example but I myself wouldn't mind.

Big +1 to this but i don't know how easy it will be software wise to set up because of the difference in value between the token and the add on value because of the rake.  Plus some people will still moan that they are losing the £5 rake and/or being raked twice!

[TightEnd]

I assume the same £5 sat players who moan about the add on costing £50 in the main sats once they have binked a £50 token do the same moaning in the £5 rebuy sats where the add on costs £5 when there are 50p sat winners in that £5 sat who can't 'afford' the £5 add on because they are only in for 50p or are they quite happy to have the add on because it suits them, gives them a decent advantage over the 50p token qualifiers and they can afford the £5?  Can't have it both ways surely?

I would think that significantly more bankrolls can support a £5 add-on than a £50 add-on.

Correct but the principle is the same there is just a zero added to the end of the figure. Rob needs 10 times as many £5 punters as £50 punters to get the same money into the prize pool so that fact goes without saying. All the 50p micro punters are hard done by the same way as you are moaning you are but because it suits u at £5 level it's not a problem to have the add on but once it goes out of your buy in range its a problem.  The £50 rebuy's will bring in as many punters who wouldn't play otherwise than it loses because the add on is too expensive.  It's a £150k £550 entry flagship mtt for DTD.  It's hard to get many people into it for a fiver in reality (1 out of 100 obv) do people actually ever really sat into these events for a fiver very often without actually having numerous sat bullets at it.  The vast majority of £5 punters are multi £5 bullet guys like me, vino and numerous others who spend prob close to the buy in every month playing sats to win multiple seats into £50s and then the add ons to go with it.  It's a nice dream to sell you won £35k from a fiver but the reality is that is pretty much never the case. 

Should the same be said for 1p freerolls compared to £5? Lol
I think most people who play any 50p ones do so to kill Time!( or is that just me lol)
What's wrong with moaning? Think the numbers and overlay each night is a indication maybe that is not everyone's cuppa cha.
Players like myself get frustrated because we want to play these great comps/structures but hit a wall with redic spendo.

It's down to rebuys/addons or freezeouts. There's no surprises with freezeouts. It's always hard to please everyone and Dtd try hard

Maybe mix it up!? One night rebuy next night freezeouts? Also think using tokens for rebuys in rebuy comps would be a massive plus players may lose reg fee for example but I myself wouldn't mind.

Big +1 to this but i don't know how easy it will be software wise to set up because of the difference in value between the token and the add on value because of the rake.  Plus some people will still moan that they are losing the £5 rake and/or being raked twice!

as was explained yesterday, its in the works.

would obviously be a big help (to players and to dtd, lower overlays) if it could be done but as it stands you win a £55 token and the add on is £50 and the admin/network issues (as understand it)  around refunding £5 or 50p per player per rebuy/addon is  complex

[Woodsey]

Can someone remind me how long the £50 tokens are valid for please? I'm planning on playing tonight with it, but work might just get in the way.

[EvilPie]

Why don't they make it a reg free £55 comp?

Pretty sure that would solve the token problem.

[Woodsey]

Why don't they make it a reg free £55 comp?

Pretty sure that would solve the token problem.

lol didn't have you down as one of the poker nits 

[TightEnd]

Can someone remind me how long the £50 tokens are valid for please? I'm planning on playing tonight with it, but work might just get in the way.

120 days

[Woodsey]

Can someone remind me how long the £50 tokens are valid for please? I'm planning on playing tonight with it, but work might just get in the way.

120 days

Thanks 

[EvilPie]

Why don't they make it a reg free £55 comp?

Pretty sure that would solve the token problem.

lol didn't have you down as one of the poker nits 

In my defence I don't play them so it won't affect me at all

If they charge juice on the rebuy it also solves the token problem but people will moan like hell at being charged juice on a rebuy. The nits hate it!!

If they disguise it as being reg free then the nits are happy and the tokens can get used by the people who like to play the £5 sats.

Simon has already said that these are designed to overlay so making them reg free has no affect whatsoever to DTD but potentially makes them look more attractive to people who can't see the rationale behind it.

Just a thought....

[YEAHMAN123]

Would agree the value is brill if u have enough wonga at the time to rebuy and add on, cos like you said your investing £155 to win a £550 seat 100k chips and late reg puts your straight into a seat position so steal some blinds or one big hand and that's all you need ))
Wish I had the money if play these every night )