PLO Hand, options...

[SuuPRlim]

I could have played this different on every street. Raised flop, bet turn, bet river etc here's how i actually played it what are everyones thoughts?

The opponent in this hand is a good regular player, tends to be a bit overly aggro/spewy at times we have a lot of aggressive history but he's good/doesn't like to give up on pots.

iPoker - £4 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: 40 BB (VPIP: 24.63, PFR: 17.91, 3Bet Preflop: 1.82, Hands: 141)
CO: 202.93 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BTN): 142.45 BB
SB: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 48.30, PFR: 24.77, 3Bet Preflop: 4.62, Hands: 331)
BB: 39.9 BB (VPIP: 46.85, PFR: 15.93, 3Bet Preflop: 0.35, Hands: 644)
UTG: 226.55 BB (VPIP: 26.38, PFR: 18.91, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 5,800)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has
UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, SB calls 3 BB, fold

Flop : (11.5 BB, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets 11.5 BB, Hero calls 11.5 BB, fold

Turn : (34.5 BB, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River : (34.5 BB, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

[doubleup]

shouldn't you bet the turn?  Your perceived range is surely jaw-dropped and drooling over that board?

[SuuPRlim]

shouldn't you bet the turn?  Your perceived range is surely jaw-dropped and drooling over that board?

Yeh. I agree with this, also a fair bit of value to get off a couple of things.

[rfgqqabc]

shouldn't you bet the turn?  Your perceived range is surely jaw-dropped and drooling over that board?

Yeh. I agree with this, also a fair bit of value to get off a couple of things.

don't they all c/r you though?

[gouty]

If you could pop up the other 5799 hands you have played with this fella it would be easier. What is his opinion of your image?

You have called with a hand which can be multi dominated for a reason. All seems fine. It feels like he has given up tho.

[mulhuzz]

shouldn't you bet the turn?  Your perceived range is surely jaw-dropped and drooling over that board?

Yeh. I agree with this, also a fair bit of value to get off a couple of things.

don't they all c/r you though?

yeah I think you might get c/r a lot bc this is a turn that he might expect you to b/f a decent amount of time with a reasonably large part of your range.

anyone think we might be able to bet river very thin? depends how polarised we are on river I suppose? like if we can be so polarised that all his hands are bluff catchers then we might be able to bet here?

[mulhuzz]

also I think flatting flop is best by some distance.

[doubleup]

shouldn't you bet the turn?  Your perceived range is surely jaw-dropped and drooling over that board?

Yeh. I agree with this, also a fair bit of value to get off a couple of things.

don't they all c/r you though?

Isn't a good thing if hands we get value from all c/r us?

I'm not trying to sound sarky     Just thinking that it is surely an ideal situation that we get c/r when a board hits us a lot more than it hits our opponent.  (I might also be way out in my whole thinking)

On this turn hero is very unlikely to have complete air and can def have a strong hand.  Villain is quite likely to have decent equity but much less likely to have the nuts.  Obv hero can't just only bet when he has the nuts - so when else should he bet (given that hero is very unlikely to have completely nothing)?  Maybe weak pairs/gutshots with no flush draws?  Does the two tone board make a difference? - as the possibility of villain having two flush draws and c/ring with huge equity increases?

I suppose it comes down to whether hero's hand can stand a turn check raise - I think it can. 




 

   

[rfgqqabc]

shouldn't you bet the turn?  Your perceived range is surely jaw-dropped and drooling over that board?

Yeh. I agree with this, also a fair bit of value to get off a couple of things.

don't they all c/r you though?

Isn't a good thing if hands we get value from all c/r us?

I'm not trying to sound sarky     Just thinking that it is surely an ideal situation that we get c/r when a board hits us a lot more than it hits our opponent.  (I might also be way out in my whole thinking)

On this turn hero is very unlikely to have complete air and can def have a strong hand.  Villain is quite likely to have decent equity but much less likely to have the nuts.  Obv hero can't just only bet when he has the nuts - so when else should he bet (given that hero is very unlikely to have completely nothing)?  Maybe weak pairs/gutshots with no flush draws?  Does the two tone board make a difference? - as the possibility of villain having two flush draws and c/ring with huge equity increases?

I suppose it comes down to whether hero's hand can stand a turn check raise - I think it can. 




 

   

Whilst I think we have a strong hand and we might be able to continue vs a check/raise this isn't always going to be optimal. We certainly don't bet hoping to check/raised. His range to c/r compared to c/c is going to be vastly different and in one we might well be comfortable favourite against and the other we are in a pretty meh spot. We have a good made hand and a good draw, I feel like this is a spot which it is fine to check back in because it is hard to see what we directly get value from and our opponent can easily have the nuts. Maybe he doesn't c/r 78 here but I don't really feel qualified to comment. Getting c/r'd feels like a really bad result and I'm not sure I'd enjoy continuing. However, not betting because we might get c/r'd is generally a poor argument.

[Pinchop73]

Like both checks. Think there's a very real possibility were going to be value cutting ourselves when these opponents check to us having initially had initiative in the hand.

[wazz]

The opponent in this hand is a good regular player, tends to be a bit overly aggro/spewy at times we have a lot of aggressive history but he's good/doesn't like to give up on pots.

This makes it a slam-dunk bet on the turn, I would have thought. He will not be folding much and we have a good strong hand. You didn't mention him being loose, which means that sets aren't very much in his range for opening UTG this deep, which means our boat outs are cleaner when we're behind.

I don't 3b pre with only 1 suit and the gap at the top, don't raise the flop even if we did have the flush draw to go with the gutshot and think the river is a fairly easy check.

[SuuPRlim]

Really good replies ITT thanks guys, seems that the turn (which I'm sure we all agree is the most interesting part of the hand) has split opinion somewhat which is fun, and defo means it was worthwhile posting :-P

I was very, VERY tempted to raise the flop (bAsed on the way we've played vs each other in the past) - like wazz said he isn't super lose PF so all sets are very unlikely, we have some useful blockers if we're vs the wraps (KKQJ etc) and we have the  which blocks a chunk of the super draws he can have, but if wee do run into AAQJss or something were still not completely crushed.

The reason I refrained was because he'd potted it into 2 players and it made me feel like he was going to fold to a flop raise pretty much never (even though he only folds hand we do pretty well vs, a bit of th EV we make from a flop raise in this spot comes from him folding sometimes, if we think he's getting it in  80% of the time OTF and rarely folding then we likely don't have a super profitable raise OTF)  also, our hand is going to play very easily on the turn, anything under a T that isn't a 5 or a spade well feel confident continuing, hearts are good, spades and Aces are bad, Q's make us the nuts K's and J's might be tricky.

I think if I had my time again i would raise the flop here.

When I was deciding to bet the turn or not, I didn't consider bet/folding an option, thinking about it now he doesn't have that many 78combos from opening PF and potting the flop (assuming he won't pot naked 78 OTF (AK78 no spades etc) so it's basically just the premium run downs (wraps and pairs) I have a lot of very I portent blockers for those hands, so if I was to bet I'd be certainly be calling an AI, but actually like doubleup says given how this turn card hits my range ridiculously hard I don't think he'll be c/r all that often, which leads me to the conclusion I should defo have bet the turn.

It's quite nice for my range to have T9 OTR after checking the turn but he is only going to realistically going to be able to bluff on 8/J/Q/K/A and potentially , but I might get a hero call from AA/KK on a low river card that might fold the turn.

Thanks for the feedback everyone :-)