Turning AAxx into bluff PLO

[JustinSayne]

NL player stepping into the world of PLO.

I have fairly loose image, opponent is running 45/22 and 8% 3b. General standard feels pretty damn low on this site atm

Preflop this deep + oop I dont want to be 4betting bad AAxx like this. Would 4b with AA + broadways etc

Flops fine/standard I'm guessing especially with BDFD

Turn, We have so many straights in our perceived range that its pretty much impossible for us to be bluffing here.

I also imagine turn will be checked back a lot too.

River is a must bet on this brick when he flats turn? We give up on J and 9 rivers I imagine?

[Oxford_HRV]

Preflop this deep + oop I dont want to be 4betting bad AAxx like this. Would 4b with AA + broadways etc

Flops fine/standard I'm guessing especially with BDFD

Turn, We have so many straights in our perceived range that its pretty much impossible for us to be bluffing here.

I also imagine turn will be checked back a lot too.

River is a must bet on this brick when he flats turn? We give up on J and 9 rivers I imagine?

i play this as a 4b pre 20bb deep, i think i like flatting 3b generally multiway with weak AAXX oop (i dont think these AA are that bad though), but this time we are hu v btn remember we dont have to pot it all the time in plo. we can click it back here 19bb i recommend tanking a while before putting it in, villain's will generally flat more. then flop you can do stuff like c/r gii or lead still with manueverability. obviously equities run closer in plo than holdem when gii, so i'd usually go with it on most rainbow boards fingers crossed n all. Depending on the texture and how villain plays i would either bet c/r ect.
 i have no idea about hudstats really, but would not see villain trying to get stacks in pre ever, so 4b seems cool.  like and agree 100% with the thinking post flop played it very well, i'd usually give up post flop after the turn hah! nice bet otr

weak aces in my range would be nearly all unsuited ones without big cards much rather have your hand than stuff like 
       
   
   
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you've got a flush draw with no reverse implied and a semi wheel wrap with again probably no reverse implied so theres goona be a few flops that will have you in great shape ftw and you still 150bb on the flop so can still be sitting nicely when the bad flops unfortunately come

[SuuPRlim]

Think I agree with Oxford, I'd go ahead and 4bet here preflop, for a few reasons, as Oxford says whereas your side cards are dangly they are unlikely to be dominated, even if it comes 46* your gutshot is very likely to be live you're only dominated by the strong mid run-downs. The other, very strong reason for a 4bet here IMO is the hands people tend to 3bet with IP 200bb deep that isn't AA / KK are hands like AKT8~ basically ace high big card hands that whereas are decent 3bets, are very bad hands to call the 4bet with and people ALWAYS call the 4bets with those hands, so I actually think you're hand plays better for value as a 4bet than a flat.

 Also,being OOP with low cards and a big pair and considerable stack depth is kinda tough spot for you, you're mostly gonna have a very average bluff catcher down the streets and whereas flopping an ACE is great considering you gte a bet from him but wiltout coolering him you're never stacking him or winning a big pot.

$33~ pot and $80 in stacks is not a difficult spot for you really, you're gonna have to c/f some equity away a bit but most of the time you can just pot/call and be fairly happy you've played the hand fine.

As played I'd check/fold the flop, our hand plays badly we only really wanna see a spade (and even then we risk having to put money in fairly badly) I guess a 6 is good and ofc an Ace is excellent card. Given the preflop action and the fact the board is Q68 it's literally impossible for him to not have decent equity unless he has specifically KK.

Turn/river play are ok, kinda creative way to play the hand but I'd prefer to have SOME equity when I'm bluffing like this OOP, we have literally nothing here and given the PF actio. This T hits him pretty hard (2ps, wrAps etc) if it was a spade I'd be behind it, but with no equity and no blockers I think bluffing like is is kinda spewy unfortunately. Just a smidge more equity or a 9 in my hand and I think it's WP

[JustinSayne]

Really appreciate the detailed responses.

Like I say, I am pretty nooby at PLO.

I still think 4betting pre is debatable. I just hate broadcasting my hand tbh.

[SuuPRlim]

yeh it's pretty tilting that we always just have AA/magnum AKK pretty much and it seems like he cant really make a mistake against us like this (although they can still) it's quite difficult for us to make a mistake ourselves - pot calling most dry/mid-dry+spade or gutshot flops fairly comfortably and we'll get it in with decent equity most of the time + he can make a few bad folds/AI's on the flop too.

[mulhuzz]

Think that the bluff is speculative tbh.

Agree with oxford/Dave that I like a 4b 200bb deep so won't talk about that because excellent responses there already.

Main issue for repping straights is you have to have a straight draw that doesn't c/r flop. Ofc maybe you can have the straights some of the time, but the better straight draws prolly xr and when you have the worse straight villain has all the nut straights too. You're bluffing in a spot where you should have nuts all that often and villain can defo have it IMO.

Think this is also one of the stone worst flops for your hand too btw. Prolly just c/f flop. Easy to get attached to AAxx I guess though.