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« on: May 20, 2014, 06:07:05 PM »

hand 1.

just been moved to the table 4 to the money from 800+ runners, plenty of micro stacks on other tables. part of a BAP and one of my biggest ever online buyins so definitely feeling the pressure to cash if i'm honest.

PokerStars Hand #115875256630: Tournament #894306835, $1025+$1025+$50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (300/600) - 2014/05/08 3:27:20 WET [2014/05/07 22:27:20 ET]
Table '894306835 29' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: willrobrobu (16196 in chips)
Seat 2: BBOY3110 (25135 in chips)
Seat 3: TransSib (55264 in chips)
Seat 4: Mihay28 (10500 in chips)
Seat 5: flurdabing (58213 in chips)
Seat 6: diesanser (60660 in chips)
Seat 7: GaggleoKings (61030 in chips)
Seat 8: dioxan (14884 in chips)
Seat 9: dontdonkoff (43773 in chips)
willrobrobu: posts the ante 70
BBOY3110: posts the ante 70
TransSib: posts the ante 70
Mihay28: posts the ante 70
flurdabing: posts the ante 70
diesanser: posts the ante 70
GaggleoKings: posts the ante 70
dioxan: posts the ante 70
dontdonkoff: posts the ante 70
TransSib: posts small blind 300
Mihay28: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to willrobrobu [ ]
flurdabing: folds
diesanser: folds
GaggleoKings: raises 600 to 1200
dioxan: folds
dontdonkoff: folds
willrobrobu: calls 1200
BBOY3110: folds
TransSib: folds
Mihay28: folds
*** FLOP *** [ As ]
GaggleoKings: bets 1690
willrobrobu: calls 1690
*** TURN *** [ As ] []
GaggleoKings: bets 3110
willrobrobu: calls 3110
*** RIVER *** [ As ] []
GaggleoKings: bets 36300
willrobrobu: ?

because of its relevance to the second hand the result of this was i called, he also had AQ + we chopped.

i called quickly on river as i made my decision to do this on the turn should i be set in (this is where i tanked).
fold leaves me about 20 bigs and an almost guaranteed mincash.
anyone got the balls to play it more aggressively on earlier streets? i would have 3b/f this hand vs some players but i felt that being the bubble a light 4b was way too likely vs this opponent/stack so elected to take the call/call/call line on a reasonable board but was obv hoping it not to be for tourney life.
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3hours later 40-odd players left. been basically watching gaggle bossing the table, opening the majority of unopened pots and never folding to 3bets. not many people puting up a fight and if they do rarely does it get to showdown. when it does he is subsequently (and obviously) very polarised having either complete air or a monster (although rarely/never a monster pre-flop). i have been playing way tighter than usual subsequently, getting quite frustrated and tired. i 3b once vs him and took it down on the flop. later im 10/38 and i 3b his utg open with black KK. he flats. flop is 3 small hearts. he calls my cbet. inexplicably we check down the next two blank streets and he shows AKhh for nut flush. obviously pleased to have lost the minimum but increasingly frustrated with how i'm playing.

i dribbled some more chips trying to loosen up a little and failing. also lost a sizeable chunk w AQs in a 3b pot postflop.

HAND 2

PokerStars Hand #115878845967: Tournament #894306835, $1025+$1025+$50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (1000/2000) - 2014/05/08 7:18:06 WET [2014/05/08 2:18:06 ET]
Table '894306835 29' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: willrobrobu (88080 in chips)
Seat 2: BostonG12 (130004 in chips)
Seat 3: WICKED617 (71741 in chips)
Seat 4: imcastleman (58524 in chips)
Seat 6: mexican222 (65625 in chips)
Seat 7: GaggleoKings (248596 in chips)
Seat 8: flong78 (84524 in chips)
Seat 9: RSRMCA (35737 in chips)
willrobrobu: posts the ante 250
BostonG12: posts the ante 250
WICKED617: posts the ante 250
imcastleman: posts the ante 250
mexican222: posts the ante 250
GaggleoKings: posts the ante 250
flong78: posts the ante 250
RSRMCA: posts the ante 250
WICKED617: posts small blind 1000
imcastleman: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to willrobrobu [ ]
mexican222: folds
GaggleoKings: raises 2000 to 4000
flong78: folds
RSRMCA: folds
willrobrobu: calls 4000
BostonG12: folds
WICKED617: folds
imcastleman: calls 2000
*** FLOP *** [ ]
imcastleman: checks
GaggleoKings: checks
willrobrobu: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
imcastleman: checks
GaggleoKings: bets 8115
willrobrobu: calls 8115
imcastleman: folds
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
GaggleoKings: checks
willrobrobu: bets 10189
GaggleoKings: raises 226042 to 236231 and is all-in
willrobrobu: massively regrets betting.

correct line on river really just to check or was bet/call ok here? obv bet/fold pretty dumb. :S

to be fair to myself, GoK had mainly been successfully smallballing, with most of his aggression pre and on early streets, and the river allin wasn't a big part of how he'd been playing to bully people, so although he had done it to me on the bubble i kinda had been lulled into not expecting after the subsequent 4hrs of play. plus it was like 6am and i was knackered.

anyways. im partly posting this cos i wanna know what u had tom :p




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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2014, 12:02:01 AM »

I wouldn't check back river i don't think. Deffo a tough spot in game, as played/described i dont particularly want to fold this to him though. Line possibly doesn't correspond to that many value hands? Also sounds like he's been pretty fkn aggro so far so expect this player to be able to pull the trigger on a big river c/r bluff, particularly as it looks like it's pretty hard for you to have a huge hand here.
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2014, 12:16:10 AM »

3b/c hand 1, as played I call river.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2014, 01:18:12 AM »

This is an interesting hand. So he's opened from utg+1 which would normally narrow his opening range enormously. Except he has 3x average so....... police

Think turn is most intersting. I can't imagine he'll think he's getting a bunch of folds on this board too much vs peeling ranges. So there's three QQ combos, I'll give him only 1 KK combo (due to flop check), a bunch of AJs Ajo combos and a handful of QT+KT combos for pure value. Non heart or spade Aces for thin value vs nut flush draws, Tx and J9 for thin value vs AQ/AK. *Pretty* narrow value range compared to his drawing range imo. When we include the small % of times he stabs with air hoping for a super scary river to get you off your thin value, I think when we consider what his entire betting range looks like I have to try and induce on the turn. Whether you semi bluff turns much to balance is I guess a factor in your decision. If you never semi bluff then i guess you only have one option.

I think you need to consider your own image on the river in his eyes. Once you've called the turn on that run out, your entire value range is looking fairly weak when hearts complete. In his eyes your going to have to seriously consider folding AQ, AK, Tx, KQ, J9 and AJ. When we consider the hundreds of now non showdownable made hand combo's that he'll certainly consider turning into a bluff on the heart, combined with such a narrow value range (30ish house combo's+40ish heart combos compared to thousands of bluff combos) we really kind of have to call.

I think.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2014, 09:59:39 AM »

hand 1 is played perfect hand 2 i would fold pre. fold now
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2014, 10:54:52 AM »

hand 1 is played perfect hand 2 i would fold pre. fold now

Pretty easy to just jump on Bramm's back here, but these were exactly my thoughts as well.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2014, 01:14:10 PM »

hand 1 is played perfect hand 2 i would fold pre. fold now

Why wouldn't we be happy to 3b/c vs someone who is really aggro and we think " a light 4b was way too likely" ? Especially in a sko.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2014, 02:00:31 PM »

hand 1 is played perfect hand 2 i would fold pre. fold now

Why wouldn't we be happy to 3b/c vs someone who is really aggro and we think " a light 4b was way too likely" ? Especially in a sko.

4 off the money i think getting in AQo is too thin for 27bb
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2014, 03:02:17 PM »

Any arguments for just folding pre then so close off the money?
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2014, 04:16:37 PM »

Definitely folding ore in hand 1v especially vs this opponent who will lrobab'y out you all in somehow.

Hand 2 seems like a fold pre too, kqs more of a defend.
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2014, 12:00:23 AM »

Defo fold the river in hand #2 imo.

As for hand #1 if bram says its gd then im on board with that!
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2014, 05:24:44 AM »

Hand 1 seems fine, river is pretty gross, I guess i'd call... not loving life at all though.

Hand 2 pre is fine with me, flops well, deep enough IP. I mean it's definitely close given positions, but I wouldn't say it's a bad peel.
What do people think about betting flop in this one? I definitely would some of the time at least.
River is 100% a bet and almost certainly a fold when jammed on, you have flushes and straights in your range, so seems unlikely he's c/jamming with air here much (or with worse for value ever)
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2014, 05:59:04 AM »

id hazard a guess that Tom doesn't have a check/call range on the river in hand 2 so i very much dislike betting the bottom of our value range
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2014, 09:00:15 AM »

Yh bet/folding hand 2 seems really really bad I'd definitely bet call if I were to bet but not sure I'd bet.

Hand  1 calling pre is just bleeding chips and pretty bad call IMO.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2014, 09:02:13 AM »

Yh bet/folding hand 2 seems really really bad I'd definitely bet call if I were to bet but not sure I'd bet.

Hand  1 calling pre is just bleeding chips and pretty bad call IMO.

You suggesting 3b/c, 3b/f or just fold?

Of all those I like 3b/c most but still prefer as played.
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