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[Tal]

Without reading everyone's posts (and leaving myself open to abuse...), the shortie has to be a factor, here. Everyone's shallow, too, so the calling ranges are going to be pretty narrow. Seems like an immedojam to me.

What would you do with KJ?

[The Squid]

I would definitely fold here. Obviously it's chip EV to shove but it can't be a winning play ICM wise I don't think.

More of a gangsta image you have here the better raise fold is. Sure Moorman could raise and get it thru way more than a random. DownByDaBridge defo gonna fuck with you a lot tho.

[pleno1]

very interesting, almost everybody itt said jam and in other forum i posted everybody said do anything but jam

[action man]

being absurd enough to be able to r/c  would be good

[theprawnidentity]

being absurd enough to be able to r/c  would be good

I'm wet for this.

[The Squid]

being absurd enough to be able to r/c  would be good

Obv horrif. You trying to win tournaments, most poker players trying to make money.

[action man]

being absurd enough to be able to r/c  would be good

Obv horrif. You trying to win tournaments, most poker players trying to make money.

how is it horrif if u can r/c QKo and be ahead of a jammers range? not saying anyone is this absurd just saying it would be fun if someone was this absurd. Now get regging mug

[mondatoo]

I would definitely fold here. Obviously it's chip EV to shove but it can't be a winning play ICM wise I don't think.

More of a gangsta image you have here the better raise fold is. Sure Moorman could raise and get it thru way more than a random. DownByDaBridge defo gonna fuck with you a lot tho.

ICM wise, if we give the following, pretty wide calling ranges :

co : 99+,AQ+
btn : 66+,A9s+,ATo+,KQs
sb : 88+,AJs+,AQo+
bb : 88+,AJ+

We then calculate Hero's range with 0.05 min ev Diff % (or comes to 29.40 in $ev) we get the following jamming range :

(10.1%) 88+,A9s+,AJo+,KTs+,KQo,QTs+,JTs

When we are jamming that range the correct calling ranges should be :

co : (1.4%) QQ+
btn : (4.7%) TT+,AQ+
sb :  (3.3%) JJ+,AQs+,AKo
bb : (3.3%) JJ+,AQs+,AKo

This is based on payouts for Hot 55 so I'm assuming it's similar. I'm failing to see the argument for ever not jamming here yet Pads is saying a lot of people think so, link to thread Pads ? Interested in reasons giving.

Interesting that a few people basically suggested not having a r/f range here but at the same time think anyone who's decent should stick it in hero's eye if we min raise in this spot ?

Confirmed would be fun if DownByDaBridge was jamming 54% so we could make a breakeven r/c 

Overall, I like this jamming range : (17.3%) 55+,A2s+,ATo+,K9s+,KJo+,Q9s+,JTs

[Flash92]

I would definitely fold here. Obviously it's chip EV to shove but it can't be a winning play ICM wise I don't think.

More of a gangsta image you have here the better raise fold is. Sure Moorman could raise and get it thru way more than a random. DownByDaBridge defo gonna fuck with you a lot tho.

ICM wise, if we give the following, pretty wide calling ranges :

co : 99+,AQ+
btn : 66+,A9s+,ATo+,KQs
sb : 88+,AJs+,AQo+
bb : 88+,AJ+

We then calculate Hero's range with 0.05 min ev Diff % (or comes to 29.40 in $ev) we get the following jamming range :

(10.1%) 88+,A9s+,AJo+,KTs+,KQo,QTs+,JTs

When we are jamming that range the correct calling ranges should be :

co : (1.4%) QQ+
btn : (4.7%) TT+,AQ+
sb :  (3.3%) JJ+,AQs+,AKo
bb : (3.3%) JJ+,AQs+,AKo

This is based on payouts for Hot 55 so I'm assuming it's similar. I'm failing to see the argument for ever not jamming here yet Pads is saying a lot of people think so, link to thread Pads ? Interested in reasons giving.

Interesting that a few people basically suggested not having a r/f range here but at the same time think anyone who's decent should stick it in hero's eye if we min raise in this spot ?

Confirmed would be fun if DownByDaBridge was jamming 54% so we could make a breakeven r/c 

Overall, I like this jamming range : (17.3%) 55+,A2s+,ATo+,K9s+,KJo+,Q9s+,JTs

Brilliant post, very insightful. Thank you.

My first thoughts on this hand would be to Jam.

[The Squid]

I would definitely fold here. Obviously it's chip EV to shove but it can't be a winning play ICM wise I don't think.

More of a gangsta image you have here the better raise fold is. Sure Moorman could raise and get it thru way more than a random. DownByDaBridge defo gonna fuck with you a lot tho.

ICM wise, if we give the following, pretty wide calling ranges :

co : 99+,AQ+
btn : 66+,A9s+,ATo+,KQs
sb : 88+,AJs+,AQo+
bb : 88+,AJ+

We then calculate Hero's range with 0.05 min ev Diff % (or comes to 29.40 in $ev) we get the following jamming range :

(10.1%) 88+,A9s+,AJo+,KTs+,KQo,QTs+,JTs

When we are jamming that range the correct calling ranges should be :

co : (1.4%) QQ+
btn : (4.7%) TT+,AQ+
sb :  (3.3%) JJ+,AQs+,AKo
bb : (3.3%) JJ+,AQs+,AKo

This is based on payouts for Hot 55 so I'm assuming it's similar. I'm failing to see the argument for ever not jamming here yet Pads is saying a lot of people think so, link to thread Pads ? Interested in reasons giving.

Interesting that a few people basically suggested not having a r/f range here but at the same time think anyone who's decent should stick it in hero's eye if we min raise in this spot ?

Confirmed would be fun if DownByDaBridge was jamming 54% so we could make a breakeven r/c 

Overall, I like this jamming range : (17.3%) 55+,A2s+,ATo+,K9s+,KJo+,Q9s+,JTs

Thanks for the post. Really appreciate someone taking the time to do some maths work and then sharing it.

I think i'm right in saying that in terms of ICM it's not simply a question of us having a correct shoving range, because (as opposed to when calculating cEV) if our opponents deviate from what is optimal we also lose money not just our opponents. So if we KNEW our opponents were calling wider than they should then we would have to adjust our range.

It's for that reason that this isn't a jam.

[rfgqqabc]

I would definitely fold here. Obviously it's chip EV to shove but it can't be a winning play ICM wise I don't think.

More of a gangsta image you have here the better raise fold is. Sure Moorman could raise and get it thru way more than a random. DownByDaBridge defo gonna fuck with you a lot tho.

ICM wise, if we give the following, pretty wide calling ranges :

co : 99+,AQ+
btn : 66+,A9s+,ATo+,KQs
sb : 88+,AJs+,AQo+
bb : 88+,AJ+

We then calculate Hero's range with 0.05 min ev Diff % (or comes to 29.40 in $ev) we get the following jamming range :

(10.1%) 88+,A9s+,AJo+,KTs+,KQo,QTs+,JTs

When we are jamming that range the correct calling ranges should be :

co : (1.4%) QQ+
btn : (4.7%) TT+,AQ+
sb :  (3.3%) JJ+,AQs+,AKo
bb : (3.3%) JJ+,AQs+,AKo

This is based on payouts for Hot 55 so I'm assuming it's similar. I'm failing to see the argument for ever not jamming here yet Pads is saying a lot of people think so, link to thread Pads ? Interested in reasons giving.

Interesting that a few people basically suggested not having a r/f range here but at the same time think anyone who's decent should stick it in hero's eye if we min raise in this spot ?

Confirmed would be fun if DownByDaBridge was jamming 54% so we could make a breakeven r/c 

Overall, I like this jamming range : (17.3%) 55+,A2s+,ATo+,K9s+,KJo+,Q9s+,JTs

Thanks for the post. Really appreciate someone taking the time to do some maths work and then sharing it.

I think i'm right in saying that in terms of ICM it's not simply a question of us having a correct shoving range, because (as opposed to when calculating cEV) if our opponents deviate from what is optimal we also lose money not just our opponents. So if we KNEW our opponents were calling wider than they should then we would have to adjust our range.

It's for that reason that this isn't a jam.

Have you ever seen KQo miss!?! There will be a range where we become indifferent to our opponents actions I believe. However, adjusting some parts of our range to counter our opponents willingness to gamble seems good. Do you think we should just fold the bottom hands in monda range?

[mondatoo]

Those calling ranges that gave us the 10.1% jamming range, all four positions are wider than I would be calling as std. Considering the edge I gave us for jamming I think folding KQ here as std is clearly a mistake.

I already took out a couple of hands from my concluding range that were inc as a jam.