3b sizing near FT with QQ

[MC]

$109 turbo, 12 left. I'm 1/12 and villain is 2/12.

Villain is unknown/random, has been pretty active and 2.5x has been standard for him. Was having a discussion with Monda about sizing here. In game I made quite a big 3b hoping he'd pile on me light. Monda suggested going small, even less than double his open, so that he can click 4b us light.

Thought it was an interesting spot, thoughts?...

PokerStars Hand #117586076797: Tournament #924332173, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (1250/2500) - 2014/06/16 7:50:05 WET [2014/06/16 2:50:05 ET]
Table '924332173 11' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: JayStat (40791 in chips)
Seat 4: ovv77 (35877 in chips)
Seat 5: ra$cal88 (70360 in chips)
Seat 7: spartak1322 (31214 in chips)
Seat 9: epitomised (77687 in chips)
JayStat: posts the ante 300
ovv77: posts the ante 300
ra$cal88: posts the ante 300
spartak1322: posts the ante 300
epitomised: posts the ante 300
epitomised: posts small blind 1250
JayStat: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to epitomised [ ]
ovv77: folds
ra$cal88: raises 3750 to 6250
spartak1322: folds
epitomised: raises ....

[titaniumbean]

i'd be worried going big would put him off shoving even though there's more in there, so would go something like 11k


dat ft bubble brag tho :p

[pleno1]

13688 feels good.

[willrobrobu]

12989 for me.

- the bigger 3b eg to 15-18k makes him more likely to fold, vv rarely peel, a 4b will always be a shove, but probably less likely to 4b shove given yr stacks unless he is uber aggro or has it.

- the small one to 10-11k he will fold less often, peel more often, think he is only marginally more likely to 4b to 23k (47k back) than he would be to 4b a 13k 3b to 27k say (43k back).

[pleno1]

flatting > big 3bet imo

[willrobrobu]

yeah i'd rather raise 13k>raise 11k> flat >raise 18k. great spot for big blind to shove light if you flat.

think the only 4b from OR you will see here regardless of yr 3b betsizing is a shove 99% of the time. u do get the occasional person that likes minclicking light in a 109turbo off these sort of stacks but they are pretty infrequent, and are often from russia or the ukraine. in these i think a 4b miniclick off this stack will be more likely to have AA than a weaker holding. not that we are ever folding, but just saying

[wazz]

I'm 100% flatting here, doubt we get many light crams 30bb deep and the bb has a decent reshoving stack.

[Doobs]

Getting in with QQ against AJ here isn't going to be great ICM wise vs the other big stack.  Wouldn't be surprised if is close to -Ev.  So shoving could be better than inducing in this specific spot.  Flatting is nice too I think.  If you have Pleno's account you can do what you like, you get the champagne always.

[lucky_scrote]

Getting it in QQ v AJ isn't going to be great ICM wise? You could just sit out and come 6th if you like.

I dunno what I do in practice here, it puts him in a tough spot because of the stacks, would be an utter waste for him to just jam 30 bigs with AJ or 99. Id imagine I'm just peeling here unless I've got him tagged as mental or I've been extremely active. If it's a reg then I will definitely go small as he's going to peel his good hands and gets the pot bigger.

Versus a random here I love a 3b if you don't have it because they are going to be very reluctant getting it in pre or postflop. Peel IMO.

[George2Loose]

I prefer flatting and raising dem flops. Looks like BS

[WotRTheChances]

Kinda villain dependant here, if he's splashy/spewys at all I make it pretty small to give him the chance to 4b/fold (obv great for us, but won't happen loads 28bb eff). If not I just make it like 13-14k and call it off. IP I may well flat, from sb probs not as bb won't exactly be jamming super-wide and just makes it a bit tougher. We can defo be perceived to be FOS 3-betting and nice to avoid A/K-high boards, which suck if we ever get bluffed off best hand at this stage. Given he's 2.5x opening and active I can easily see him putting it in our eye quite light.

[Pinchop73]

I prefer flatting here because:

a) protects my peeling range  

b) icm implicates that he's going to have to fold a large % of his opening range vs continuing. Which is a huge shame with this much equity. We should put the pressure on him with hands we're happy to fold to action

c) just want to keep it as low variace as possible because we surely have a huge edge over the rest of the field at the moment

[pleno1]

flatting isnt going to induce others, we look strong when we flat not week.

[theprawnidentity]

Yeh we look Monday - Wednesday at best.

[willrobrobu]

flatting isnt going to induce others, we look strong when we flat not week.

if we flat a reg in the bb is shoving fairly wide here imo. certainly if i'm in sb. don't know so much about if sb is pads11xx/epitomised, but i see it frequently