265 ko

[pleno1]

so, its 50 dollars for every ko, people go after them hard.

think i should r/c or jam pre? im not r/f.

PokerStars Hand #117801388688: Tournament #924332714, $200+$50+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2014/06/21 17:24:22 CET [2014/06/21 11:24:22 ET]
Table '924332714 5' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Elia001 (3000 in chips)
Seat 2: holy h3ll (7328 in chips)
Seat 3: Piggysnipz (1224 in chips)
Seat 4: cheezees (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: David3077 (5770 in chips)
Seat 6: pads1161 (1881 in chips)
Seat 7: PEALIK11 (3256 in chips)
Seat 8: Mikleler (6432 in chips)
Seat 9: huiiiiiiiiii (5468 in chips)
Elia001: posts the ante 10
holy h3ll: posts the ante 10
Piggysnipz: posts the ante 10
cheezees: posts the ante 10
David3077: posts the ante 10
pads1161: posts the ante 10
PEALIK11: posts the ante 10
Mikleler: posts the ante 10
huiiiiiiiiii: posts the ante 10
PEALIK11: posts small blind 50
Mikleler: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [Ah ]
huiiiiiiiiii: folds
Elia001: folds
holy h3ll: folds
Piggysnipz: folds
cheezees: folds
David3077: folds
pads1161:

[titaniumbean]

surely if not folding r/c > jam ?

[mulhuzz]

surely if not folding r/c > jam ?

Depends how much they expect Pleno to be r/f i guess?

[pleno1]

surely if not folding r/c > jam ?

why?

[titaniumbean]

surely if not folding r/c > jam ?

why?

they 'could' rejam worse, compare the benefits of them getting it in wider to what their calling range is to a 18bb jam otb with kos.


as we have been given no reads on them wtf else are we meant to say lol?


wwpd

[pleno1]

well what im saying is maybe we dont want them to jam worse?

[pleno1]

are ou r/c a2 too?

[titaniumbean]

well what im saying is maybe we dont want them to jam worse?

do we want to r/c only sehr gut hands and be relatively face up with our open jams, or are we only open jamming? seems too much to only jam with as our only strategy.

[Pinchop73]

pads1161: calls 100

[pleno1]

? limp?? has to be the worst option? explain?

[Pinchop73]

didn't want to type again :p

[19:39:12] Patrick Leonard: hey
[19:39:13] Patrick Leonard: srsly
[19:39:16] Patrick Leonard: u think limp is good there?
[19:39:47] Patrick Leonard: u see we have 17?
[19:39:49] Nathan Davies: i feel its the best option for the situation
[19:39:56] Nathan Davies: yep
[19:40:00] Patrick Leonard: why?
[19:40:08] Nathan Davies: limp jamming obv
[19:40:54] Nathan Davies: i like to have people in situations that are quite alien to them
[19:41:15] Nathan Davies: esp with a rep like yours
[19:41:26] Nathan Davies: ie good
[19:41:34] Patrick Leonard: my rep is nitty tho
[19:41:42] Patrick Leonard: but i think its good with like 26bbs
[19:41:44] Nathan Davies: lol
[19:41:56] Patrick Leonard: but i think ur overestimating how often anybody r/f here
[19:42:08] Patrick Leonard: and when they check its amazingly bad news
[19:42:44] Nathan Davies: not really, we still have post flop skills
[19:43:03] Patrick Leonard: with 15bbs vs 2 hands i dot think its easy to have that much post flop edge
[19:44:45] Nathan Davies: i think instances where either raises is greater than when sb folds and bb checks
[19:45:26] Nathan Davies: and a jam in the first instance gets through such a huge %
[19:45:55] Nathan Davies: i mean if we min raise, and bb calls
[19:46:02] Nathan Davies: its still a shit fight
[19:46:32] Nathan Davies: but with limping if they just check it does give quite a large % more post flop playability
[19:46:43] Nathan Davies: like i know you only have 17
[19:47:17] Nathan Davies: but playing a 4bb pot with 16 is way better than playing a 6bb pot with 15 amirite
[19:47:47] Nathan Davies: maybe i'm overestimating how much people are coming after your bounty
[19:48:00] Nathan Davies: matybe they come after mine stronger
[19:48:35] Nathan Davies: hence a possible incorrect estimation of their raise frequencies when we limp button off 17

[lucky_scrote]

I've played the 265ko a fair bit and you are right, people over-compensate for the bounty wayyyy too much. $50 though.

Thing with opening is that you take away the chance of giving the blinds winning the bounty because you are r/f a ton (in their eyes). If you jam, it gives them a chance to punt it in with JT KJ type hands that they may be more inclined to peel with.

Up to you really, either is fine. Think just jamming is more valuable in this particular tourney.

[youthnkzR]

R/c imo. We're gonna get it in with better equity as they may rejam complete garbage (e.g. 47o...etc.) whereas they wont call off with this. Also people are more likely to rejam dominated aces (the nittier they are the more likely imo), than call off with.

[pleno1]

i think people just dont think enough about the times he peels and we b/f somewhere and are crippled vs jamming where we get it in alot. @tom, he still may call a2 pre

[titaniumbean]

def dont like limping with this specific hand strength much rather jam it. still a r/c for me