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[pleno1]

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PokerStars Hand #118135941657: Tournament #924321252, $500+$30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (20/40) - 2014/06/29 21:44:11 CET [2014/06/29 15:44:11 ET]
Table '924321252 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: smerks (10020 in chips)
Seat 2: pads1161 (9920 in chips)
Seat 3: clues13 (19940 in chips)
Seat 4: jroozle (9780 in chips)
Seat 5: Rounder63 (10040 in chips)
Seat 6: KevBoyStar (9735 in chips)
Seat 7: gbmantis (10000 in chips)
Seat 8: MaxUdav (10280 in chips)
Seat 9: marko 2701 (10225 in chips)
marko 2701: posts small blind 20
smerks: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [ As]
pads1161: raises 40 to 80
clues13: folds
jroozle: folds
Rounder63: folds
KevBoyStar: folds
gbmantis: folds
MaxUdav: folds
marko 2701: folds
smerks: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [ ]
smerks: checks
pads1161: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] [Ah]
smerks: checks
pads1161: bets 120
smerks: raises 380 to 500
pads1161: calls 380
*** RIVER *** [ Ah] []
smerks: bets 920
pads1161: folds

[youthnkzR]

I would go bigger pre and bet/bet/bet, think you've made such a simple situation a really complicated one.

Sigh call river. We beat some of his vbetting range which is realistically 55 / J10 / QK / AQ A5  and bluffs.

[mulhuzz]

If we check flop for deception it's not to fold this run out.

Call.

He prolly can have some missed flush draws and a bit of air that we can beat in addition to his value range.

[pleno1]

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

[lucky_scrote]

Think it's fine to check back flop vs a random or fish but prob cbet vs a reg here. Given how played I don't really know what to do on the river. Seems utterly ridiculous to bluff the river once you've bet called the turn on his half. You really look like you have AQ here and you're expected to cbet AJ so it's not like he's trying to make you fold that type of hand.

Think I find a fold here too if I'm playing well enough.

[lucky_scrote]

I would go bigger pre and bet/bet/bet, think you've made such a simple situation a really complicated one.

Sigh call river. We beat some of his vbetting range which is realistically 55 / J10 / QK / AQ A5  and bluffs.

Absolute million he has KQ A5 with this sizing/line

[youthnkzR]

I would go bigger pre and bet/bet/bet, think you've made such a simple situation a really complicated one.

Sigh call river. We beat some of his vbetting range which is realistically 55 / J10 / QK / AQ A5  and bluffs.

Absolute million he has KQ A5 with this sizing/line

Why?

I'd deffo c/r them.

And go that size otr.

[youthnkzR]

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

expand?

[AlexMartin]

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

im lost

[pleno1]

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

im lost

we will not show a profit vs his range by barreling flop and turn with our hand here.

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

expand?

i dont think its +ev to bet flop+turn, so betting flop+turn+river would probably be a bluff.

[GreekStein]

Pads what does your hand look like to villains when u c/call flops and same question for when u c/call turn too.

[AlexMartin]

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

im lost

we will not show a profit vs his range by barreling flop and turn with our hand here.

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

expand?

i dont think its +ev to bet flop+turn, so betting flop+turn+river would probably be a bluff.

how? he defends the big from a minraise, surely all AQ/KQ/all heart kx broadway combos etcetc. Or do people just not play those hands this early?

[willrobrobu]

as played I would call, I think we'd be right enough of the time. I don't see the point in the flop check to ultimately let the hand play this way.

[pleno1]

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

im lost

we will not show a profit vs his range by barreling flop and turn with our hand here.

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

expand?

i dont think its +ev to bet flop+turn, so betting flop+turn+river would probably be a bluff.

how? he defends the big from a minraise, surely all AQ/KQ/all heart kx broadway combos etcetc. Or do people just not play those hands this early?

Yes but when we make our decision on the flop we don't know that an ace will come on the turn lol

If I knew the run out I would b b b ofc. But when making the plan on the flop it's v unlikely it will come ace/rag turn/river..

[rfgqqabc]

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

im lost

we will not show a profit vs his range by barreling flop and turn with our hand here.

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

expand?

i dont think its +ev to bet flop+turn, so betting flop+turn+river would probably be a bluff.

how? he defends the big from a minraise, surely all AQ/KQ/all heart kx broadway combos etcetc. Or do people just not play those hands this early?

KQ beats us, KJ probably calls 2, AQ probably one. Checking back gives him the chance to stab instead of folding out all his weak hands. I think checking back here is really nice, we arent going to win a big pot and dont really want to play one so bluffcatching is nice. Plus if it brings in a BDFD then we can get a bigger river bet out of him as our range looks weaker than if we had bet the flop. So few bad cards that protecting our equity becomes a minor issue.

3x pre.