Cash game- wtf now?

[George2Loose]

2/5 game at local. I'm not playing but a huge fuss kicks off.

There's around 800 in the middle on the river of a 4 heart paired board. Player 1 has lead out for £600.

Drunk guy stares him down playing around 1250 announces loudly "RAISE" after a few seconds he laughs and says "just kidding" and tries to muck his hand. Dealer stops him and states he has to raise. Drunk guy argues that he didn't realise. Floor is called and state he has to min raise. Player grabs his chips and refuses to put them on the pot. Floor states if he doesn't put chips in he will be asked to leave to which player 2 says fine. Player 1 says whoa whoa whoa what about the £600?

Do the casino force the chips out of his hand? What happens of he just ups and leave with a the chips? Should the casino make good the money player 1 has lost?

[FUN4FRASER]

Shouldn't Player One be saying " What about the £1200 ? " ( as in min raise )

[George2Loose]

Yeh that's what I meant

[FUN4FRASER]

Yeh that's what I meant

Ok

House /Casino security needed to take £1200 in my opinion.

[MilkShake]

Sounds like straight up stealing to me. What would the casino have done if the guy had of slid £1,200 onto a high stakes roulette table and then after no more bets are announced said "nahh im only joking" and pulled off the £1,200? Guarantee security would have been called and he would have been forced to hand over the £1,200 (Unless his number some how came in). I feel like because its a punter this guy is stealing from the casino is much more likely to let the £1,200 slide. He should have been pretty much forced to hand over the £1,200 as its the same as him going up to someone's stack and picking up as many chips as he can and then running off.

[Marky147]

Should be an expensive lesson for the drunk guy, imo.

[arbboy]

i think the reality of what will happen is as follows.  He will have two options

1 - To pay £1200 to raise and stay in the game/casino

2 - Refuses to pay the raise of £1200 and be barred from the Casino/poker games for life in that casino.

 I would imagine one of those would have occurred highly likely (2).  It's wrong because if the same £1200 bet was placed on a roulette table and he tried to grab it back when he didn't like the outcome the pit boss would force him to hand over the money but that's how casino's operate.  They don't give a feck if it's not their money.  They have already hoovered their £10 rake for this pot whether the £1200 goes in or not and have nothing to gain selfishly.

[arbboy]

You also have to remember the other guy wins the £800 pot if he refuses to raise, without showdown which might actually suit him as he might be bluffing with his £600 river bet and actually doesn't want the raise to stand.

[George2Loose]

And player 1 just loses out if he wants to leave?

He has physically removed his stack as well so how do u get him to put the money back?

[George2Loose]

You also have to remember the other guy wins the £800 pot if he refuses to raise without showdown which might actually suit him as he might be bluffing with his £600 river bet and actually doesn't want the raise to stand.

When they guy asked to leave player 1 started to complain so let's assume he wants the raise to stand but yeh a few commented on that as it happened

[arbboy]

And player 1 just loses out if he wants to leave?

He has physically removed his stack as well so how do u get him to put the money back?

player 1 wins £800 without showdown.  He doesn't lose out for sure as we don't know either of the hands so it might have saved him £1200 plus the £800 in the middle already.

[smokynuts]

Player 2 has to go cash chips in surely they can take the money there .

Or follow him to car park for a chat

I'd be very pissed off assuming like others say he want the call/ raise

[Tal]

Usual answer to this:

Did he say it as an angle shoot or just a very poorly judged drunk joke? If the latter, why enforce the rule that's there to prevent the former?

He's an idiot but he didn't mean at any point to raise.

Best course of action is to give him some encouragement to leave the game, give him his money - in full - and put a note on the system that, the next time he comes in (in a more sober state), to have a word about what happened. It would be, for example, a good idea to buy the other player a drink at the next opportunity, etc.

Forcing £600 out of his wallet is completely the wrong thing to do IMO.

That said, if he's done it before, if he's been warned about it that night or if there's some doubt about his motives, it's less black and white.

[arbboy]

You have to remember that by refusing to raise he is giving up an £800 pot which he might have actually won (relatively unlikely but still possible if he was totally pissed).  So he can't call now for £600 so effectively there is a chance he has cost himself £1400 by saying 'raise' and refusing to go through with it instead of just calling.

[bobAlike]

Usual answer to this:

Did he say it as an angle shoot or just a very poorly judged drunk joke? If the latter, why enforce the rule that's there to prevent the former?

He's an idiot but he didn't mean at any point to raise.

Best course of action is to give him some encouragement to leave the game, give him his money - in full - and put a note on the system that, the next time he comes in (in a more sober state), to have a word about what happened. It would be, for example, a good idea to buy the other player a drink at the next opportunity, etc.

Forcing £600 out of his wallet is completely the wrong thing to do IMO.

That said, if he's done it before, if he's been warned about it that night or if there's some doubt about his motives, it's less black and white.

Totally agree with this.