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theprawnidentity
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Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special.
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July 28, 2014, 10:07:21 PM »
PokerStars - $13.77+$1.23|600/1200 Ante 125 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
UTG: 9,819
UTG+1: 6,291
MP: 25,378
MP+1: 2,834
MP+2: 6,625
Hero (CO): 16,389
BTN: 14,224
SB: 28,099
BB: 13,463
9 players post ante of 125, SB posts SB 600, BB posts BB 1,200
Pre Flop: (pot: 2,925) Hero has
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero
Just getting back into the game. Had this spot in my pokerstrat session and generated some interesting discussion. There are no ICM considerations in this spot, purely interested in chip ev. All 3 players behind are aggro regs. Do we raise call, raise fold, jam or open fold? If we jam, we can assume that all 3 will call fairly close to optimal.
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Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special.
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vote = jam
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Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special.
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July 30, 2014, 04:40:20 AM »
I'd r/f here too much, size it 2.9k
I think it would be best to go with what mc says, then i would go R/F>R/C>fold
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Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special.
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if we r/f we absolutely must make it min off these stacks imo
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Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special.
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Quote from: MC on July 29, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
vote = jam
Surely there jamming raises over our min are wider then they will call it off though? Do we not want the added variance in this crazy format. I'm be a bit worried about getting peeled and exploited in a mtt but not sure in a 180 man.
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Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special.
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Quote from: rfgqqabc on July 30, 2014, 08:07:33 AM
Quote from: MC on July 29, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
vote = jam
Surely there jamming raises over our min are wider then they will call it off though? Do we not want the added variance in this crazy format. I'm be a bit worried about getting peeled and exploited in a mtt but not sure in a 180 man.
Think we'd need to calculate our equity vs their calling range / how often they find this range, then see what our equity is vs their jamming range (all calling range + wider) / how often they find this range. Then see what is best. Should be pretty simple using pokerstove.
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FWIW with it being 9 handed therefore 9 antes and antes being a little over 10% i would be jamming as standard.
Do our opinions change if we become 8 handed? 7 handed? 6 handed?
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Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special.
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I'd be jamming. Even though they are aggro, they probs arent stupud. If you are very r/f happy out of these stacks and they often try to exploit it then I r/c but if they dont then r/f or jamming is w/e.
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Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special.
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August 05, 2014, 04:38:17 PM »
I jam, think there's a bunch of hands we get jammed on that dont call if we jam (Ax, some suited connector/gapper stuff) that have pretty good equity vs our hand. Don't like r/f with such a strong hand in late position and just feel like jamming gets rid of more hands we don't want calls from than r/c gets jams from hands we dominate.
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