UKIPT London v GUKPT Luton

[scotty77]

Maybe it's a case of GUKPT going too low than Stars too high?

Can't even imagine how much it costs to hire out the connaught rooms for 2 weeks.

GUKPT can offset the rake by how much extra they would expect to take in the pit.

[pleno1]

When is gukpt etc?

[scotty77]

Plus all the expenses of flying the dealers around Europe and accommodation. The lorries for all the tables and TV set.

Grosvenor doesn't have any of that and even when the GUKPT is on normal casino operations still go ahead. On Saturday night Luton will still be entertained by Seamus for the locals.

Can never imagine Stars having a on while play is taking place.

fwiw I think the GUKPT is a great tour but they are very different events and to compare them by rake alone doesn't pain the whole picture.

[tikay]

When is gukpt etc?

This week......


http://www.gukpt.com/events/2014-events/leg-9-luton/

[celtic]

When is gukpt etc?

Starts tonight, and runs up til Sunday.

[Doobs]

GUKPT you get free food too, 3 days instead of 4, which is definitely my preference, and must save a bit on the bills.  Can't say I have ever been that bothered by the dealers at either.  GUKPT must be better on the variance too, despite paying a lower percentage?  Suspect GUKPT is a bit softer too, which is a bonus.  For the first year in an age, I haven't played either.

Just avoid the UKIP in my view, dealers there can look respectable, but if forced to listen to what they say, it can be pretty unpleasant.

[The Camel]

Maybe it's a case of GUKPT going too low than Stars too high?

Can't even imagine how much it costs to hire out the connaught rooms for 2 weeks.

GUKPT can offset the rake by how much extra they would expect to take in the pit.

13% juice before expenses.

How many players have honestly got an edge big enough to cover this?

Possibly 20?

The rest of us are stupid or deluded.

Or both.

[Tal]

Some people enjoy playing the events and put a price on that (consciously or otherwise).

Granted, my "price" would be less than 13%...

[The Camel]

Some people enjoy playing the events and put a price on that (consciously or otherwise).

Granted, my "price" would be less than 13%...

Bloody hell, the boys on my first table on Thursday didn't seem to be enjoying it much.

Doubt more than 10 words were uttered in conversation in 6 hours.

I tried to make a couple of jokes and they looked at me like I was completely ga ga.

Granted my day 2 table was really good fun and we had a couple of genuine laughs. Included that very rare bird a young American internet pro who is congenial company. Nickolas Davies who ended coming 5th. Was rooting for him. Nice bloke.

[Tal]

Some people enjoy playing the events and put a price on that (consciously or otherwise).

Granted, my "price" would be less than 13%...

Bloody hell, the boys on my first table on Thursday didn't seem to be enjoying it much.

Doubt more than 10 words were uttered in conversation in 6 hours.

I tried to make a couple of jokes and they looked at me like I was completely ga ga.

Granted my day 2 table was really good fun and we had a couple of genuine laughs. Included that very rare bird a young American internet pro who is congenial company. Nickolas Davies who ended coming 5th. Was rooting for him. Nice bloke.

There lies the other problem!

The rake should be apportioned according to how much fun you are at the table.

- Silent, hoody, headphones, occasional tweets about how the table is full of loldonkrecs = 20% rake (if you think you're so good, let's see you show it)
- Focused but happy to engage in conversation at reasonable junctures = 10% rake
- Chatty and excitable. Clearly there to enjoy themselves and the experience = 5% rake (we want you back next year)

Refunds available at the cash desk on the way out.

[bergeroo]

Agree with some of the points and often avoid Stars festivals tournies and live poker in general because of the hassles of buying in, PS Live, side events selling out, cash games full. Much prefer a smaller festival where I know I can get a seat in a cash game or a side event if I bust.

However, factors you didn't consider. GUKPT re-entry (up to 4 bullets), UKIPT is a straight freezeout. If you are comfortably rolled for multiple bullets then this gives you a big advantage in GUKPT. If you bust strong player on day one, he goes to the cash desk buys in again and gets an extra life

Field size. UKIPT is much bigger, more up top, when you get the final it is likely to be a weaker/softer field imo.

Those drink holder/phone chargers on the table and the blue neon stripe around the edge didn't pay for themselves you know!

[The Camel]

Agree with some of the points and often avoid Stars festivals tournies and live poker in general because of the hassles of buying in, PS Live, side events selling out, cash games full. Much prefer a smaller festival where I know I can get a seat in a cash game or a side event if I bust.

However, factors you didn't consider. GUKPT re-entry (up to 4 bullets), UKIPT is a straight freezeout. If you are comfortably rolled for multiple bullets then this gives you a big advantage in GUKPT. If you bust strong player on day one, he goes to the cash desk buys in again and gets an extra life

Field size. UKIPT is much bigger, more up top, when you get the final it is likely to be a weaker/softer field imo.

Those drink holder/phone chargers on the table and the blue neon stripe around the edge didn't pay for themselves you know!

Disagree about field strength.

Average Pokerstars player is going to be a lot stronger than average Luton regular (Edna Adams excepted obv)

You might get really lucky at Luton and draw Tom Myland, Dick Lynch, Chompy and Nirvana #pokerplayersheaven

[arbboy]

Maybe it's a case of GUKPT going too low than Stars too high?

Can't even imagine how much it costs to hire out the connaught rooms for 2 weeks.

GUKPT can offset the rake by how much extra they would expect to take in the pit.

13% juice before expenses.

How many players have honestly got an edge big enough to cover this?

Possibly 20?

The rest of us are stupid or deluded.

Or both.

It's closer to 14% than 13% (£679+£91 effectively) then they will 1000% ask relatively aggressively when you min cash or more 'do you want to leave anything for the dealers?' even though u have left 3.6% of your original entry fee for the dealers already (assuming 15% of players cash that equates to an effective tip of £140 from every person who cashes - more than 20% of the entry fee) - as have the 85% of people who didn't cash as well.  This is the thing that really annoys me about playing stars comps.  How much more will they continue to squeeze the juice given a gukpt main event in season one was £1000+£50.   The game is 50 times tougher now than it was then yet the cost of playing it is going through the roof.  I suppose as long as they continue to fill the seats they will keep cranking up the juice.  It's up to the players to vote with their feet however the vast majority seem more than willing to keep getting squeezed so you can't fault stars.

[bergeroo]

Agree with some of the points and often avoid Stars festivals tournies and live poker in general because of the hassles of buying in, PS Live, side events selling out, cash games full. Much prefer a smaller festival where I know I can get a seat in a cash game or a side event if I bust.

However, factors you didn't consider. GUKPT re-entry (up to 4 bullets), UKIPT is a straight freezeout. If you are comfortably rolled for multiple bullets then this gives you a big advantage in GUKPT. If you bust strong player on day one, he goes to the cash desk buys in again and gets an extra life

Field size. UKIPT is much bigger, more up top, when you get the final it is likely to be a weaker/softer field imo.

Those drink holder/phone chargers on the table and the blue neon stripe around the edge didn't pay for themselves you know!

Disagree about field strength.

Average Pokerstars player is going to be a lot stronger than average Luton regular (Edna Adams excepted obv)

You might get really lucky at Luton and draw Tom Myland, Dick Lynch, Chompy and Nirvana #pokerplayersheaven

I'd say that to generalise they would play differently. GUKPT players more solid, more live experience. UKIPT better fundamentals, possibly more experience of MTTs over all, but often too aggressive and lacking in live experience. Also the UKIPT directly before the EPT will have players coming for the full festival. However there all kinds of sats for UKIPT for small money so all kind of people get in these Pokerstars 1k tourneys (for example I'd wager the Estrellas before EPT Barcelona is one of the softest of the year in Europe) - having lots of sats is a plus for UKIPT and a negative for GUKPT.

Agree with most of your points esp. on rake, but I think you are drastically underestimating how much being a re-entry makes the field tougher, particularly when you get to the money, a much higher proportion of good players will remain in the tournaments.

[The Camel]

Maybe it's a case of GUKPT going too low than Stars too high?

Can't even imagine how much it costs to hire out the connaught rooms for 2 weeks.

GUKPT can offset the rake by how much extra they would expect to take in the pit.

13% juice before expenses.

How many players have honestly got an edge big enough to cover this?

Possibly 20?

The rest of us are stupid or deluded.

Or both.

It's closer to 14% than 13% (£679+£91 effectively) then they will 1000% ask relatively aggressively when you min cash or more 'do you want to leave anything for the dealers?' even though u have left 3.6% of your original entry fee for the dealers already - as have the 85% of people who didn't cash as well.  This is the thing that really annoys me about playing stars comps.

To be fair they never asked me. Perhaps the girl at the computer was a mind reader and knew what my answer would be.

The days of Thomas Kremsner were really bad, he really badgered you to tip. And no guesses what happened to the money then.

Thank God Stars got rid of that slimeball.

However 48 hours after cashing, there's no sign of my winnings in my Stars account yet.

From a Grosvenor it would all be punted away by now easily.