AmayaStars

[doubleup]

To be fair, they probably know what they are doing, whether we like to admit it or not.

interesting post from 2+2

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=49632567&postcount=281

[vegaslover]

No, they have huge debts, huge loans and need money. If regs stop playing they are absolutely done. They have shareholders pressurizing them, asking why prices are going down, wanting answers etc etc.

Anyway, regulars playing tournaments are churning money over again and again, if a fish wins a huge tournament he will withdraw a tonne of it too, regs give it back in higher stakes tournaments/epts etc.

if some reg who plays $40 abi wins the million for 200k, he will play a tonne of volume at higher stakes, if a fish wins, he will play a smallish amount of volume (lose a lot, give money away in few hands) and withdraw a tonne.

The satellites that need to run for the tournaments for their guarantees wont get any runners anymore, they wont run and everything will drop significantly.

If they are trying to gain 5% more money through extra rake then to me they are surely going to lose more than this in oher areas.

I was not making the case either way Patrick, I was saying that a player such as yourself playing less and paying more is exactly their plan.

To be fair, they probably know what they are doing, whether we like to admit it or not.

I'm not so sure they do know what they are doing Tikay. The net deposit statement is one that, to me, shows they don't actually get poker. Pretty much every reg is gonna pay way more via rake, then any net depositor, who will likely burn their deposit in a night/weekend, but actually contribute very little.

As Pleno states, they seem keen to kill their biggest games at low stakes. Those sat rebuys get huge numbers.

[Doobs]

To be fair, they probably know what they are doing, whether we like to admit it or not.

interesting post from 2+2

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=49632567&postcount=281

Steve Jobs is just rewriting history.  Whilst Xerox didn't realise what they had with the personal computer, he talks about them as if they failed completely.  In reality they are still a huge succesful corporation.  And he also doesn't mention how Apple themselves were very close to going bust in the 90s despite picking up this computer technology for a song.  Even knowing the full story now, it is only with hindsight we can see Xerox were idiots.   I don't know about you, but I can think of at least a handful of occasions where I could have been far richer if I'd spotted the potential of something I have come across.  That doesn't mean I failed doing what I did.

I would just add that I am not close enough to Stars to see what they are doing right or wrong, but it seems this post was just a bit of pointless speculation.  I'd say the basic comparison isn't even right, as Stars have clearly been adding products to their offering (bet stars, spin and goes and casino arefairly recent additions).  I also think that unfortunately they likely have the maths right on hyper MTTs.  Before their last reverse, they ran with much higher reg fees for a short while, and the numbers playing didn't fall nearly enough to make it a bad move.  I was pretty surprised they reversed it at the time. 

[doubleup]

oops

http://www.theglobeandmail.com//report-on-business/amaya-ceo-david-baazov-others-hit-with-23-charges-by-quebec-regulator/article29358824/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe

[bergeroo]

oops

http://www.theglobeandmail.com//report-on-business/amaya-ceo-david-baazov-others-hit-with-23-charges-by-quebec-regulator/article29358824/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe

Man politics is so corrupt. Loto Quebec (state run gambling provider) have been putting tonnes of pressure on various people (eg Internet providers, banks) to try and ban or restrict all other poker sites apart from their own site Espace Jeux. I guess a good way to go after their main competitor/problem is to charge the top guy with a bunch of stuff...

[doubleup]

oops

http://www.theglobeandmail.com//report-on-business/amaya-ceo-david-baazov-others-hit-with-23-charges-by-quebec-regulator/article29358824/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe

Man politics is so corrupt. Loto Quebec (state run gambling provider) have been putting tonnes of pressure on various people (eg Internet providers, banks) to try and ban or restrict all other poker sites apart from their own site Espace Jeux. I guess a good way to go after their main competitor/problem is to charge the top guy with a bunch of stuff...

cool story

[bergeroo]

oops

http://www.theglobeandmail.com//report-on-business/amaya-ceo-david-baazov-others-hit-with-23-charges-by-quebec-regulator/article29358824/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe

Man politics is so corrupt. Loto Quebec (state run gambling provider) have been putting tonnes of pressure on various people (eg Internet providers, banks) to try and ban or restrict all other poker sites apart from their own site Espace Jeux. I guess a good way to go after their main competitor/problem is to charge the top guy with a bunch of stuff...

cool story

What does that mean? Is this 2plus2 now?

[doubleup]

oops

http://www.theglobeandmail.com//report-on-business/amaya-ceo-david-baazov-others-hit-with-23-charges-by-quebec-regulator/article29358824/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe

Man politics is so corrupt. Loto Quebec (state run gambling provider) have been putting tonnes of pressure on various people (eg Internet providers, banks) to try and ban or restrict all other poker sites apart from their own site Espace Jeux. I guess a good way to go after their main competitor/problem is to charge the top guy with a bunch of stuff...

cool story

What does that mean? Is this 2plus2 now?

Glasgow version

utter pish jimmy

[Karabiner]

It seems that OPR and SS can no longer publish results of 'stars MTT's.

Bit of a nuisance really as I've always used OPR almost as much for my own records as having a nosey at other people's results.

I thought the "opting in" clause of a couple of years ago had smoothed it all over.

[mondatoo]

It seems that OPR and SS can no longer publish results of 'stars MTT's.

Bit of a nuisance really as I've always used OPR almost as much for my own records as having a nosey at other people's results.

I thought the "opting in" clause of a couple of years ago had smoothed it all over.

Seems fine on SS ?

[Karabiner]

It seems that OPR and SS can no longer publish results of 'stars MTT's.

Bit of a nuisance really as I've always used OPR almost as much for my own records as having a nosey at other people's results.

I thought the "opting in" clause of a couple of years ago had smoothed it all over.

Seems fine on SS ?

So it does, how odd.

Assumed it was the same thing as OPR who have not updated for the last few days and have a message saying to send them the tourney ID's if you want your records updated as they are now unable to retrieve them.

[Doobs]

To be fair, they probably know what they are doing, whether we like to admit it or not.

interesting post from 2+2

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=49632567&postcount=281

Steve Jobs is just rewriting history.  Whilst Xerox didn't realise what they had with the personal computer, he talks about them as if they failed completely.  In reality they are still a huge succesful corporation.  And he also doesn't mention how Apple themselves were very close to going bust in the 90s despite picking up this computer technology for a song.  Even knowing the full story now, it is only with hindsight we can see Xerox were idiots.   I don't know about you, but I can think of at least a handful of occasions where I could have been far richer if I'd spotted the potential of something I have come across.  That doesn't mean I failed doing what I did.

I would just add that I am not close enough to Stars to see what they are doing right or wrong, but it seems this post was just a bit of pointless speculation.  I'd say the basic comparison isn't even right, as Stars have clearly been adding products to their offering (bet stars, spin and goes and casino arefairly recent additions).  I also think that unfortunately they likely have the maths right on hyper MTTs.  Before their last reverse, they ran with much higher reg fees for a short while, and the numbers playing didn't fall nearly enough to make it a bad move.  I was pretty surprised they reversed it at the time. 

Apparently the supersonic numbers fell from 1473 to 1401 in response to the rake increase from $4 to $10.  Unfortunately Amaya seem to have the maths right here.   I didn't play it FWIW

[bergeroo]

Supersonic is probably a bad example because it is the type of tournament people flick in regardless of logic to get out of it on a Sunday. But yeah, am disappointed with that.

I also wonder how many of those people didn't actually know the rake had gone up?

Only played a handful of tournaments on Stars yesterday. Was pretty interesting!

To be fair, they probably know what they are doing, whether we like to admit it or not.

interesting post from 2+2

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=49632567&postcount=281

Steve Jobs is just rewriting history.  Whilst Xerox didn't realise what they had with the personal computer, he talks about them as if they failed completely.  In reality they are still a huge succesful corporation.  And he also doesn't mention how Apple themselves were very close to going bust in the 90s despite picking up this computer technology for a song.  Even knowing the full story now, it is only with hindsight we can see Xerox were idiots.   I don't know about you, but I can think of at least a handful of occasions where I could have been far richer if I'd spotted the potential of something I have come across.  That doesn't mean I failed doing what I did.

I would just add that I am not close enough to Stars to see what they are doing right or wrong, but it seems this post was just a bit of pointless speculation.  I'd say the basic comparison isn't even right, as Stars have clearly been adding products to their offering (bet stars, spin and goes and casino arefairly recent additions).  I also think that unfortunately they likely have the maths right on hyper MTTs.  Before their last reverse, they ran with much higher reg fees for a short while, and the numbers playing didn't fall nearly enough to make it a bad move.  I was pretty surprised they reversed it at the time. 

Apparently the supersonic numbers fell from 1473 to 1401 in response to the rake increase from $4 to $10.  Unfortunately Amaya seem to have the maths right here.   I didn't play it FWIW

[Doobs]

Stars have just made a right mess of their O8 schedule.

I just can't see the point in removing both the $27 8.30pm hyper and the $82 10.30pm hyper when both seemed to be as popular as ever despite stars tripling the rake, and neither was having any trouble meeting their guarantee.   Surely you want to run your hypers when all the recs are about? 

sadface

   

[strak33]

Daytime schedule is mostly a load of 3x Re entry's that are turbos and hypers.