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« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2014, 02:48:27 PM »

So which games is it actually safe for us fish to play without having scheming pros taking every advantage they can?

You'll find a heads up poker game against a non-reg in the same place you'll find the casino without a zero on their roulette wheel
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« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2014, 02:57:46 PM »

What levels do these cartels start at?  I assume certain levels are a free for all?

$60 for turbos and regspeeds. For hypers the $30 group started last week.
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« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2014, 03:02:48 PM »

It's collusion IMO.

It denies recreational players the chance to play each other.

Stars should stop this practice ASAP. In fact I can't believe they allowed it in the first place.
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« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2014, 03:12:19 PM »

And you wonder why Dan Colman is having teenage angst about his life choices...
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« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2014, 03:14:22 PM »

Just to clear up some misconceptions, I started the $100 turbos & regspeeds group, I have nothing to do with hypers which is where the idea started.

I also found it interesting, all very logical but slightly depressing that things have evolved to ensure that the fish get eaten as quickly and efficiently as possible. Much like a food chain where a predator that is just too successful will end up decimating it's own prey and end up starving to death.

The formation of these groups isn't to send the fish skint quicker, the fish go skint at the same speed. Without the groups they still always play a reg, its just whether that reg is strong enough against other regs or not. The recs are losing to both groups of regs. It makes sure that the players that have worked the hardest on their game get to make the most money, rather than having letting the bumhunters sneak in via this registration program and get the chance to play games against weaker players that the good, established regs have fought their way up through the stakes to get access to.

The vast majority of HUSNG regs would very happily see the software banned, myself included because its impossible to get a lobby without it and it costs $400/yr.

Of course the fish go skint quicker. They are never going to play a game against someone of similar ability.

They literally CANNOT win.
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« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2014, 03:18:53 PM »

It's collusion IMO.

It denies recreational players the chance to play each other.

Stars should stop this practice ASAP. In fact I can't believe they allowed it in the first place.

Think you might be right there Mr Camel. I must say though, there is part of me that likes the idea that in order to establish yourself at a level, you have to beat the tough regs over a large sample, but yeah, way too much control over the lobby.

I doubt the 'recs' know about this at all. Most of the people on this forum, myself included, didn't know about it, and while most of us ain't pros, we are poker enthusiasts and not 'recs' in the new player sense.
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« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2014, 03:25:30 PM »

Yeh there's no way a guy who just fancies playing some HU sngs is gonna look on 2p2 to find the hyper turbo HU sng boards or threads to find out about any of this.

If a bunch of regular posters / pros / enthusiasts on here had no idea then they sure as hell won't. Imagine they won't be happy if they knew that there were external programs in place to ensure that if ever they did want to play, it would be against the very best regulars and never against even a weaker reg, let alone another recreational player.
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« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2014, 03:30:55 PM »

It's collusion IMO.

It denies recreational players the chance to play each other.

Stars should stop this practice ASAP. In fact I can't believe they allowed it in the first place.

Think you might be right there Mr Camel. I must say though, there is part of me that likes the idea that in order to establish yourself at a level, you have to beat the tough regs over a large sample, but yeah, way too much control over the lobby.

I doubt the 'recs' know about this at all. Most of the people on this forum, myself included, didn't know about it, and while most of us ain't pros, we are poker enthusiasts and not 'recs' in the new player sense.

I've played about 40,000 hu SNGs and I knew virtually nothing about it

The only vague thing I knew was a couple of people accused me of "stealing the lobby" when I sat v them recently.
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« Reply #68 on: October 25, 2014, 03:39:39 PM »

They're basically dead anyway after the launch of spin and gos.
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« Reply #69 on: October 25, 2014, 03:44:00 PM »

http://www.flushdraw.net/news/pokerstars-heads-sit-go-lobbies-held-hostage-one-man/

Nothing we haven't heard in this thread in this article, but interesting how much it seems that this one guy has such a stranglehold on the HUSNG community. Normally not the paranoid type, but given his attitude to his customers, makes me wonder if he doesn't take bungs from his customers to jump ahead in the queue.

What a strange situation. If some punter fancies a spin-up in a 1k HUSNG he will snap get matched up with Daniel Colman. It's a bit like if I started a sunday league time and instantly got a match booked with Real Madrid.
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« Reply #70 on: October 25, 2014, 03:52:16 PM »

http://www.flushdraw.net/news/pokerstars-heads-sit-go-lobbies-held-hostage-one-man/

Nothing we haven't heard in this thread in this article, but interesting how much it seems that this one guy has such a stranglehold on the HUSNG community. Normally not the paranoid type, but given his attitude to his customers, makes me wonder if he doesn't take bungs from his customers to jump ahead in the queue.

What a strange situation. If some punter fancies a spin-up in a 1k HUSNG he will snap get matched up with Daniel Colman. It's a bit like if I started a sunday league time and instantly got a match booked with Real Madrid.

Going to forward this thread and that article to Pokerstars.

Almost unbelieveable they are allowing this to happen.

Blind registration the only solution.
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« Reply #71 on: October 25, 2014, 03:55:26 PM »

http://www.flushdraw.net/news/pokerstars-heads-sit-go-lobbies-held-hostage-one-man/

Nothing we haven't heard in this thread in this article, but interesting how much it seems that this one guy has such a stranglehold on the HUSNG community. Normally not the paranoid type, but given his attitude to his customers, makes me wonder if he doesn't take bungs from his customers to jump ahead in the queue.

What a strange situation. If some punter fancies a spin-up in a 1k HUSNG he will snap get matched up with Daniel Colman. It's a bit like if I started a sunday league time and instantly got a match booked with Real Madrid.

Going to forward this thread and that article to Pokerstars.

Almost unbelieveable they are allowing this to happen.

Blind registration the only solution.

I'm mates with Rob, the author, he is a top bloke, I'll invite him here I bet he has plenty to add
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« Reply #72 on: October 25, 2014, 04:04:46 PM »

Hey Guys,

I'm Rob, said author of the Flushdraw article. I'm happy to try and answer any questions about the situation, but I've not really looked at it much since I wrote that article a few months ago.

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« Reply #73 on: October 25, 2014, 04:08:02 PM »

I can tell you that PokerStars are aware of the situation, and actually have Sharky on a list of approved programs. To actually ban sharky, they would apparently need to ban pretty much all scripts, making any action against sharky difficult to target.
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« Reply #74 on: October 25, 2014, 04:09:49 PM »

Don't worry chaps, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it Smiley

If there are any credible suggestions on how to make the games more sustainable for everyone, we're all ears.

All the preaching is getting pretty tiresome, as if people think that professional players just have this insatiable appetite for money and don't care about the long term health of the game, as if a utopian solution is so easy to come up with, thats its right there in front of our faces but we can't or won't see it for greed?

The truth is that very little has been put forward in the way of credible solutions. There are loads of ideas that would work in a world where we can all sit in a circle and hold hands while we divide the money up so that the recs don't lose too fast and we can all make a nice living from poker forever and nobody gets stung losing too much. I'm not going to debate possible solutions in this thread but I think that the sites are moving in the right direction (zoom games to counter seating scripts, targeting promotions more at recs in the form of all in shootouts and deposit bonuses rather than at regs in the form of rake races, introduction of more rec-friendly games like spin n gos) and the players are slowly moving in the right direction with high profile players like Galfond calling out unprofessional practices.
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