Interesting hand from GPS Edinburgh

[The Camel]

Well, I thought it was interesting.

I've bought in late and not a lot of note has happened before this hand.

Everyone has roughly got starting stack of 25k and we're playing 100-200

Guy opens UTG for 500, 3 callers.

I call OTB with .

Both blinds call and we see the flop 7 handed.

Flop is .

Checked around to me, I decide to take the free card (thoughts?)

Turn is the .

UTG bets 800.

2 callers, the player to act before me makes it 1800.

I call (thoughts?)

2 of the three remaining players call.

See the river 4 handed which is

First two check, turn bettor bets 4800.

I call (thoughts?)


What do you reckon?

[Honeybadger]

I might raise the turn. I would definitely raise the river. No-one folds flushes.

[muckthenuts]

I think the hand is wp and flatting river actually quite an interesting consideration. I mean it has gone 7 way preflop, unless you know there's complete punters on the table maybe they can actually fold a lot of flushes in this instance to a raise/jam. Whereas by calling there might be value in the average rec being tempted to flick it in with a straight/flush/set being enticed by the far better odds.

[cambridgealex]

think id play it differently.

i would bet the flop because everyones checked and we have a monster hand, we look very strong betting into 6 players, we're pretty unlikely to get raised and we don't really mind calling a raise anyway very deep.

On the turn I would probably raise again, but don't mind the flat call so everyone flicks it in possibly all drawing dead. And you're disguised so you can get some nice chunky value on the river......

 

[The Camel]

I think the hand is wp and flatting river actually quite an interesting consideration. I mean it has gone 7 way preflop, unless you know there's complete punters on the table maybe they can actually fold a lot of flushes in this instance to a raise/jam. Whereas by calling there might be value in the average rec being tempted to flick it in with a straight/flush/set being enticed by the far better odds.

Do you not think a raise on the river of a bet so big is pretty much only going to be from the nuts?

[Honeybadger]

But even so, no-one folds flushes.

[The Camel]

But even so, no-one folds flushes.

My plan was to raise the river (obviously), but when the villain made such a big bet (was expecting something in the 2800 to 3000 range) I thought I was more likely to get a call from one of the other two players with a 7 or a smaller flush, than to get the villain to call a click back raise on the river.

It's the first time I've ever had the nuts in a pot with so many bbs and never put a bet or a raise in.

[cambridgealex]

He's bet less than half pot no?

So you weren't scared of the straight flush, you just wanted to get overcallers / thought over callers were more likely than a raise getting paid?

[cambridgealex]

4800 into 9700 if my maths is right

[The Camel]

He's bet less than half pot no?

So you weren't scared of the straight flush, you just wanted to get overcallers / thought over callers were more likely than a raise getting paid?

I might have got the bet sizes slightly wrong, On seeing the river bet, without counting the pot I felt it was 2/3rds+ of the pot.

Exactly right, felt like any raise would look like exactly the nuts. Whereas a crying call is looks like a 7 or a baby flush.

[cambridgealex]

It's difficult to comment because you will get a different reaction to a river raise than me!

I will get looked up by a 7 or any flush for sure, so I'll be loving life raising the river and expect to get paid.

However if you raised me on the river in this spot I'd be hero folding everything really as like you said, it does look so nutted

[AlexMartin]

looks good, still jamming river, players are still pretty incapable of big folds. Dont think you encourage as many overcalls as you think, he probably has no idea who you are etcetc.

[SuuPRlim]

I'd defo, defo bet the flop, our hand is big and can very happily stand a raise.

Also all worse diamond draws are going to call us and that's excellent news as we have those hands crussshhhhhed, also pair+straight draws will call and we're doing great vs those. Too much value missed here by checking.

Turn, mmmm ok I think it's ok to just call - you're hand looks like the now which is ok, raising fine too but if we've coolered him then we're getting a big pot from him anyway and we don't want the other 2 folding a set or 2p or a straight.

As played you have to raise the river, the guy looks so strong, he probably has a flush and he will almost certainly not fold. Put it this way the chance of him not folding is significantly higher than the chance of either of the two of them both calling behind and we make the same money. Also a chance he raises AI, in which case we win even more

[arbboy]

jamming the river in a gps at level 2 every day of the week with the ability to re enter for people willing to punt/can't fold flushes or the nut straight and the range of players playing the event esp in Edinburgh where there were a lot of local sat players in the field.

[Oxford_HRV]

i like betting flop small ~900 on the river go ahead and raise you got around 22k left i'd put around half of that in.