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Re: Thermodynamics question.
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If you have a radiator, you want it to heat the air in the room, not the back of a bookcase. Any heat absorbed by the bookcase will be stored until the room cool, when the heat goes back into the room, albeit at a slower rate than it did from the radiator (as it's not as hot) and at a time when you probably don't need the extra heat (as you've switched the radiator off).
So the bookcase is actually
saving
the energy for later, like a storage heater?
Yes but not as effectively.
Oh yes it is
If the wardrobe absorbs exactly 10 units of heat, (lets call them calories) it will release exactly 10 calories of heat.
But it doesn't store the calories (AKA BTU's) for as long as a storage heater can unless the sofa is made from ceramic bricks or the storage heater is fan assisted and malfunctioning.
So it stores them for a short while and then releases them. Absolutely nothing lost. How efficient is that?
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If I remember correctly, in thermodynamics terms heat is the transfer of thermal energy from one place to another. Radiators work by heating the air next to them, then the air moves somewhere else and some cold air comes to take its place, which then gets heated. If you put a large object next to the radiator, it gets heated up but it doesn't move. Because thermal energy transfer is proportional to the difference in temperature between the two objects, the radiator doesn't disperse any more energy into the room because it and the big thing next to it are at the same temperature.
Or something like that.
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Quote from: Skippy on January 21, 2015, 09:38:39 PM
If I remember correctly, in thermodynamics terms heat is the transfer of thermal energy from one place to another. Radiators work by heating the air next to them, then the air moves somewhere else and some cold air comes to take its place, which then gets heated. If you put a large object next to the radiator, it gets heated up but it doesn't move. Because thermal energy transfer is proportional to the difference in temperature between the two objects, the radiator doesn't disperse any more energy into the room because it and the big thing next to it are at the same temperature.
Or something like that.
So then the large object is heating the air next to it, yes?
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Radiators heat a room through convection as Skippy said. You stick a bookcase in front of the radiator and it heats up and retains the heat (energy). If you went and sat on a shelf on the bookcase, you'd be nice and warm most probably (and you'd probably be fairly small).
However, the rest of the room wouldn't be heated as quickly, because you're stopping the flow of warmed air.
Over time the heat energy in the bookcase will heat up the air around it, but at a slow rate. This rate might be the same rate that the room loses heat to the outside via the floors, walls, ceiling and doors. So you don't feel the benefit of that heat. Unless you're sat on the bookcase.
If the room was super-efficiently insulated, the room would heat up.
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OK, OK. I'll move the wardrobe FFS.
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Quote from: RED-DOG on January 22, 2015, 10:51:31 AM
OK, OK. I'll move the wardrobe FFS.
Oh, it's a wardrobe. Thought it was a bookcase. That changes everything.
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