Thanks for the input.
With the 2nd hand I was getting about 1.5/1 on the call, 21.2k more to call into a pot with 33k already in the middle, with KQsuited, and the guy wasnt a complete nit, was getting involved in a lot of hands and so I thought it was a fairly standard call, but maybe should be folding.
And with the 3rd hand you highlighted it was the stack sizes that really put me into a weird thought process, and the fact he just flatted the 4bet. I thought betting 20k again perhaps looks too fishy, and perhaps tank jamming 65k into a pot of 45-50k ish could get some calls from hands like jacks + 10s. But like I said I wasn't happy with the situation and was happy to take the pot.
Thanks again, time to spin it up tomorrow!
Yeah vs the guy you described it's pretty standard, but there are a decent number of deepstack players who will be shoving super tight in that spot, just got to judge for youself, sounds like you got it right with the KQs.
Think your thought process is somewhat flawed in the KK hand, sure it's a big pot and it's good to win big pots, but if the guy has QQ/99/33 you're going to lose whatever happens. The SPR is so low and the board is pretty dry, it's not like your hand needs to protect it's equity. You just want to make sure the villain gets it in as wide as possible. It's lovely winning the 20k he's put in already, but missing out on the 65k he's got left by making him fold
9x, gutshots, JT, random pocket pairs that might spaz-jam... is a really bad thing. It's amazing how many gifts you'll get in a deepstack, so it's somewhat criminal to not give them the opportunity. Bet 13-17k and call it off or jam turn if called. The number of times you'll see someone jam 44 in that spot and be like 'i thought you had AK' never ceases to amaze me.
But how many of these hands are realistically in his 4 bet calling range pre? The guy was definitely too solid to have AQ/AJ/J10, smaller pairs and I'd say probably 9's. Yeah i agree, definitely missed out on max value, it's one of those spots i've not played often and my play reflects that.
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