Live PLO Cash question

[tikay]

I got myself in two near identical spots in PLO cash games last week, & probably made a pigs ear of one.

The 2 hands were both on flops of (ignore suits)....

The first hand was in 4 card PLO.

J-Q-x

(x is a brick).

In the first, I held.....

7-8-9-10

I bet the flop & got re-potted. What should be our normal line here, after he re-pots me? How bad shape am I likly to be in with the wrong end of the draw? (It's irrelative, but I got it in).

The 2nd was perhaps my worst fold ever, but this was 6 card.

Again, the flop was....

J-Q-x

X, once again, is a blank.

I am holding 10-10-9-8-7-3

I dwelt forever on this, mesmeriesed by my two blocker tens, & my abundance of non-nut outs. (This was 6 card, remember). Many years ago, I was taught that the 10 is a very important card in PLO, especially when we are playing Broadway type hands.

I eventually folded to a big re-pot behind me.

Bad fold? How much difference does holding 10-10 (i.e. TWO blockers) make to my hand?

[Tal]

Could you give approximate stack sizes, please? What would "getting it in" look like, here? 50bb? 100bb? 200?

Active game? Do we assume you have a tight image? Do much bet+3betting on Broadway flops?

[doubleup]

Obv as Tal says stack sizes might make a difference, but with any depth I'm def folding both these. 

[tikay]

To Tal & 2Xup.

It was a £2 £2 £5 Game that was playing (to my mind) very deep & very aggro, with several very aggro players sitting with £5,000 plus. My image was tighty-tight tight, obviously.

In truth, my problem was that the game had become too big for me, & I was playing scared. By dint of some extraordinary good fortune, I was sitting very deep myself at this point.

I felt so nitty folding the 6 card one where I had the blocker tens. Having dwelt for so long, John Duthie sussed my hand afterwards, & (playfully) mocked me for folding. The bottom end hit, obv, but that's not relevant.

With the blocker tens, it must be close, though?  

[doubleup]

I'm maybe too nitty, but I think with bottom end str8s baby flushes, I'm trying to find a way to realise my equity without putting too much in the pot.  

[Karabiner]

Obv as Tal says stack sizes might make a difference, but with any depth I'm def folding both these. 

Me too. You could be drawing almost dead here.

[strak33]

2nd hand is not even a tight fold. I thought you were a nit?

[tikay]

2nd hand is not even a tight fold. I thought you were a nit?

I'm retired from Team Nit.

In truth, with the 2 blocker tens, I'd generally get it in there, but I was playing too deep, & bottled it.

I'm not convinced it is a tight fold, they don't have to have a 10, do they? They were playing 2 pair like top set. 

[strak33]

In the 6card hand have you bet the Q J x flop and been raised? How many players in the hand? How much £££ you got behind? I cant see too much information in the post.

Could just keep it simple and say... You have been raised i have no idea how much money is in pot and behind etc but you have 3 nut outs.

[tikay]

In the 6card hand have you bet the Q J x flop and been raised? How many players in the hand? How much £££ you got behind? I cant see too much information in the post.

Could just keep it simple and say... You have been raised i have no idea how much money is in pot and behind etc but you have 3 nut outs.

I potted, I got 2 customers, the first flatted, the next potted.

I'm sitting very deep. It's either fold, or the lot has to go in.

[pokerplayingfarmer]

Fold rather than get it in for me on both I think, definately 6 card anyway, don't think I'm ever surprised to find villain with 2 pair/set with the same or better draw.  It's so easy to get stacked in 6card and be sat saying to yourself "what on earth was I thinking!"

[strak33]

Everyone thinks 6card is some huge action game when in reality you would most likely just be against AK109 and QQ/JJ.

Really enjoy these PLO 4/5/6 threads though.

[pokerplayingfarmer]

Everyone thinks 6card is some huge action game when in reality you would most likely just be against AK109 and QQ/JJ.

Really enjoy these PLO 4/5/6 threads though.

Very true this, and you do get a few going crazy, but really most are getting it in with a very nuts heavy range

[Honeybadger]

Both hands are folds, the second hand especially so. The non-nut wrap is a pretty budget hand in 4 card PLO, but in 6 card it is a total piece of cheese, especially when deep.

[SuuPRlim]

The second hand is no-where even close to being all-in, in fact it's a check fold betting your hand here was a mistake, getting the lot in after it is suicide.

your 2 TEN blockers are irrelevant almost. Any hand that is for value, a set or maybe 2p will v likely have nut straight outs (AK or AT certainly) alongside it and your hand has ZERO showdown value, to use a holdem equivalent you   on    

The first is defo a lot closer, it depends on the action and the player, I assume from reading it what has happened is you have raised pre-flop, C-bet and been raised and you're OOP? Stack sizes and the play your against come into it but folding is for sure standard here, the bet though is absolutely fine.