WSOP -- 1st Hand

[TightEnd]

Surely no one is moving all in with AA here even if they are a lucky qualifier?

no one wastes AA like this do they? not even a Poker Stars qualifier for WPT Bahamas

[bundle]

Surely

Only one way to find out.

 But i have to admit, i agree with ariston, you are going to look rather silly to the rest of the table when he flips over AA.

We Know absolutely nothing about anyone here at this stage.

[thetank]

Okay, here goes.....I call

Many people will go all-in the first hand whatever, for a laugh, to get settled, to guarantee they'll win at least one pot in the WSOP and possibly other reasons. Sure, he could have AA. Sure, he could draw out. However, I'm fairly sure it's +EV to call overall.

If you fold and your opponent doesn't show, it'll be harder to concentrate for the rest of the day. The "should I have called" question being at the back of your mind.

If you call and win, you can kick back and chill for the rest of the day, get settled in, which is so vitally important in this marathon event.

If you call and lose, you can go pissed in Vegas baby. All those losers at your table playing cards for 12 hours a day and probably won't cash, they're the suckers. That's what I'd be telling myself anyway.

Buy a deck of cards from the Hotel gift shop, sellotape your losing KK to your forehead and wander about the town showing them all how to live it up and lose with grace. Well, maybe grace is the wrong word but you know what I mean.

If anyone enquires as to why you have cards on your forehead. Tell them that tonight, you were the first man to be knocked out of the 2006 WSOP. They might buy you a sympathy drink, keen to hear your story. They might buy you one if you promise to go away. The cost of these drinks factors into my EV calculation and this is why I call.

I'm in it to win it baby, not to lay down KK.

All that being said, against an all-in AND a call, it's an easy fold.

[Dingdell]

Surely no one is moving all in with AA here even if they are a lucky qualifier?

no one wastes AA like this do they? not even a Poker Stars qualifier for WPT Bahamas

Ok ok - I admit it - second hand of the wpt this year I went all in with Aces - but the dealer had suggested that to get the table going the players should identify the weak link and 8 pairs of eyes had turned to me the only bird at the table.....so second hand with aces i go all in. Had to make statement and from then on (no callers by the way) I got respect - they had no idea what I was holding btw.

It was not a waste of aces - it was a statement that it would have cost me a lot more to make if I had faffed around at the beginning. And if i had got a caller and lost then id have hit the sit and gos and played anyway.

I will now remove my hair shirt and re-dress in less apologetic clothing.

[bundle]

Ding great post...

And a great reason for it too...Told people not to mess with you. WELL PLAYED

[TightEnd]

 

I credit Ms Ding's special advisor for this strategy.

 

[Ironside]

i would call here as more often than not the raiser is holding a hande like QQ or JJ or AK

and they dont want to be throwing away chips as they hae no read on any players yet and no idea who is and who isnt going to try and out play them on a flop

overall its a +EV play and the times you are up against aces or you get spiked then dont worry there is another 10k comp next weekend

[TightEnd]

dont worry there is another 10k comp next weekend

thanks to Bill Gates for this post!

 

[Dingdell]

dont worry there is another 10k comp next weekend

thanks to Bill Gates for this post!

 

I think you'll find TE that it was Ironside that made that post.

[snoopy1239]

I keep hearing the +EV stuff, but there is information to be gained from a live game.

[totalise]

there sure is, so you use that information, apply the math, and then decide if your course of action is going to showdown a profit. Its not like you are either a math guy or a people person, and have to make that choice before playing a hand.

As for garnering information, I dont know what info you hope to gather on the first hand. You get no info from their betting: they are all in. You get no valid info from their behaviour: they might be a good actor... thats why I'd fold the hand and not think too much of it.

[TheChipPrince]

 

Because I think its an interesting debate now, as these opinions are 2 1/2 years old and players are far more aggressive now, forget your old opinion if you had one, whats your opinion NOW!

[AlexMartin]

calling here

[SnipeR]

OK GUYS ur not gonna like this.....for me (and its only my opinion)..i will shove regarless with aces pre at any stage...its the only hand i wud and do without remorse....with two all ins in front ur still clearly ahead any more then i fold, if im first to act i always insta shove......hate aces....theve been cracked more than the berlin wall!!

[Rookie (Rodney)]

calling here

Never ever folding, pmsl.