Uninvention

[kinboshi]

One Direction.

[simonnatur]

OK, so I'm not religious, but think it's quite hard to refute that shared religion creates a strong sense of community and well being in believers.

So do One Direction.

Quite so, whatever makes one happy.

[The Camel]

Religion.

Absolutely this.
Root of all evil.
Pointless
Its the one thing i just see no good coming from. Those that think it brings good are simply fooling themselves and should look formtheir strength and answers elsewhere. It amazes me that even rational and intelligent people can be so religous.

Nah, can't have this.

As much as I'm an Atheist and anti religion to say no good comes out of it is massively incorrect IMO.

There lots of dedicated and selfless people who channel their good work through religion.

They'd probably be good people without religion, but even with this caveat, religion is a force for good in lots of places.

Sigh, is it really? 

I'd uninvent people writing the word 'sigh' as a rebuttle.

I'm an atheist too, but think Camel has made a good point that lots of inidviduals have used relgion in a positive way. Maybe you'd like to give an actual reason why you disagree?

Surely the burden of evidence is on the person who makes the assertion? 

PS The "sigh" wasn't to be a rebuttal in this case, more that we're getting into another discussion on religion.

The example who came to mind as I was writing the post was this fella: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Daly_%28bishop%29

What he did on Bloody Sunday was almost unbelieveably selfless.

[kinboshi]

Bloody Sunday you say? We've uninvented religion, there's no Bloody Sunday...

[simonnatur]

Sure we'd soon find another good reason to hate the folk on the other side of town

[Jon MW]

Religion.

Absolutely this.
Root of all evil.
Pointless
Its the one thing i just see no good coming from. Those that think it brings good are simply fooling themselves and should look formtheir strength and answers elsewhere. It amazes me that even rational and intelligent people can be so religous.

Nah, can't have this.

As much as I'm an Atheist and anti religion to say no good comes out of it is massively incorrect IMO.

There lots of dedicated and selfless people who channel their good work through religion.

They'd probably be good people without religion, but even with this caveat, religion is a force for good in lots of places.

Sigh, is it really? 

I'd uninvent people writing the word 'sigh' as a rebuttle.

I'm an atheist too, but think Camel has made a good point that lots of inidviduals have used relgion in a positive way. Maybe you'd like to give an actual reason why you disagree?

Surely the burden of evidence is on the person who makes the assertion? 

PS The "sigh" wasn't to be a rebuttal in this case, more that we're getting into another discussion on religion.

The example who came to mind as I was writing the post was this fella: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Daly_%28bishop%29

What he did on Bloody Sunday was almost unbelieveably selfless.

I think it was touched on before though that most 'good' people who are religious aren't good because they're religious.

I think there are a small number of people who would actually be turned into being good people because of the example of religion - i.e. they're only good because of it. But there are also a small number (but probably larger) that only do evil things because of the influence of religion.

Overall the net effect, I would think, is probably negative.

[kinboshi]

Sure we'd soon find another good reason to hate the folk on the other side of town

That's very true. But one arbitrary reason fewer is a good thing.

[DMorgan]

Lying

[scotty77]

I don't believe in any religion, but one of the reasons why we aren't living in caves and huts still is because of it.  The spread of organised religion allowed us to work together.

[celtic]

Bloody Sunday you say? We've uninvented religion, there's no Bloody Sunday...

People were shot in the back because of religion?

[celtic]

Sorry, unarmed people were shot in the back because of religion, is what I meant to post.

[Jon MW]

I don't believe in any religion, but one of the reasons why we aren't living in caves and huts still is because of it.  The spread of organised religion allowed us to work together.

Really? I'm happy to reconsider if I see evidence for it - but I'd have thought that defence against neighbouring civilisations was probably one of the main reasons for that.

Uniting against them because they also had the wrong God might occasionally have also featured, but I think the primary feature would have been strong and/or convincing leadership coalescing the defence of your group against outsider groups.

[david3103]

Religion.

Not sure why you were sighing about 'another thread about religion' when this was on page 1

[TightEnd]

Sorry, unarmed people were shot in the back because of religion, is what I meant to post.

it was "unjustifed and unjustifable" of course, but they were shot in the back in the name of public order, weren't they?...not because of their religion being catholic?

[celtic]

Sorry, unarmed people were shot in the back because of religion, is what I meant to post.

it was "unjustifed and unjustifable" of course, but they were shot in the back in the name of public order, weren't they?...not because of their religion being catholic?

Apologies, I meant to add a ? In the second post. Changes the whole wording.

Not sure public order is a good description. But my point was to kinboshi.