Ruling / Ethics situation at DTD

[Rupert]

Retrieving cards from the muck sets a bad precedent IMO. Even if they have been opened.

Agree hand is dead second it hits the muck

[david3103]

I think cards can be retrieved from the muck in some situations - like if an action was declared and the dealer mistakenly mucks the cards - not in this situation though.

An additional problem with leaving it up to the TD to judge what the player meant is that it will favour regulars over the occasional visitor and I really don't think that's the kind of card room that DTD should aim to be.

All card rooms favour regulars over occasional visitors. Virtually unavoidable to do so, although they should work hard to stop it happening.

Interested in hearing any examples of how this is unavoidable ?

Very well done to the person who was honest enough to say they wanted to call having seen the hands, respect.

Human nature makes it so. Locals are more comfortable with the staff, and vice versa.

[bobAlike]

sounds possible to me that Carol first thought she was behind so mucked, exclaiming she's run in to trips. Then when the other players cards are turned she thinks she's made a mistake as she has failed to spot the trips and now wants her cards back?

Just another viewpoint but surely this is possible and as such why her hand should remain dead.

[SuuPRlim]

Carol has a duty to protect her cards, throwing them open at the dealer is certainly not doing so.
Given that under dtd rules you are allowed to open your hand line this the dealer should really have confirmed it was a fold although can't blame him.
Then once they mucked they are gone imo, ul Carol but had a stroke of gd fortune here as it happens...