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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2015, 11:30:58 PM »

Rigged.
Always has been.
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2015, 12:00:03 AM »

Bite my shiny metal bot ring.


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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2015, 03:20:37 AM »

This is very crazy revealing stuff! I've only read 20pages so far, but holy shit the fact the biggest winners at plo 100 and 200 and 400 on stars a lre a group of "bots" that play like they're on an 09 isildur heater is scary AF! I feel like HS guys are involved with this who have solved this level cus no bots are ever taking shots at the next stake
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2015, 10:06:35 AM »

Reading this, I really don't see how any player can have complete confidence that online poker is a fair playing field. This must be rife across the major poker sites, and apparently difficult to prevent. The potential for 2/> 'bots' playing at the same table and perfecting a card-sharing strategy is also pretty scary.
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2015, 10:14:04 AM »

Jamier-Host nails it.

Only a matter of time before a player is ejected from a live major tournament for running hands through an engine, either on his 'phone or being fed the info through a device. It's inevitable.

I'd start getting suspicious if this guy sits down to play with you.



I'm sure that this guy was sat to my left last night.
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2015, 07:16:12 PM »

Just a shame and so bizzare that it ends up being players that find this instead of stars security. PLO regs at this level owe so much to this. The fact they these 'bots' are not playing gto and have human interaction and spew makes it so much harder to discover. its IMO the reason why live >online and we all shouldn't play anything but MTTs online, samantha82 or w/e the name is is the most surprising. One Russian reg has met Samantha and said they are real and they have $200k mtt winning recorded, but follow the same stats as all other 'bot' Russians plo regs that are already banned.
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2015, 07:37:02 PM »


One point that Stars are going to have to face up to.  There services aren't legal in Russia.  Cheating at gambling is a crime in the UK.  Sooner or later the UKGC are going to be asked why they are exposing UK customers to cheating from a part of the world where the offenders can't be punished.
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2015, 08:19:01 PM »

This sort of stuff has been going on for a decade online.  Whether it is bots or collusion.   Add into the fact in 2015 all the 'real' punters virtually play perfectly anyway even if they are not colluding and/or a bot then i don't get why anyone plays online at all anymore for serious cash unless they enjoy setting fire to money.
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2015, 09:56:14 PM »

Wrote on this before and got the majority pooh poohing it - though i dont believe poker sites are rigged per say - the fact is where there is easy money to be earnt you will always get people who will try and take advantage of the system to the determent of honest players.

Why people get surprised is beyond me as it happens everyday in all walks of life- there will always be people that want to make a buck the illicit way.
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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2015, 09:59:28 PM »

This sort of stuff has been going on for a decade online.  Whether it is bots or collusion.   Add into the fact in 2015 all the 'real' punters virtually play perfectly anyway even if they are not colluding and/or a bot then i don't get why anyone plays online at all anymore for serious cash unless they enjoy setting fire to money.

No need to be too dramatic. Online is most definitely still beatable at almost all stakes if you're good enough.
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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2015, 12:42:08 AM »

This sort of stuff has been going on for a decade online.  Whether it is bots or collusion.   Add into the fact in 2015 all the 'real' punters virtually play perfectly anyway even if they are not colluding and/or a bot then i don't get why anyone plays online at all anymore for serious cash unless they enjoy setting fire to money.

The "Real Punters" can't be playing that perfect if someone can come along and program a bot that completely destroys them
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2015, 11:37:42 AM »

Just a shame and so bizzare that it ends up being players that find this instead of stars security. PLO regs at this level owe so much to this. The fact they these 'bots' are not playing gto and have human interaction and spew makes it so much harder to discover. its IMO the reason why live >online and we all shouldn't play anything but MTTs online, samantha82 or w/e the name is is the most surprising. One Russian reg has met Samantha and said they are real and they have $200k mtt winning recorded, but follow the same stats as all other 'bot' Russians plo regs that are already banned.

 Didn't take to much notice of this fact when I read it on that thread, but it is quite significant isn't it? Surely that in itself indicates that people are pressing the buttons but the decisions are being made by something else? Maybe the rest of the crew have never played poker but just employed to press the right buttons.

How is this different to the programme that the guy in HUSNG's s running which him and  2 others are using to run over everyone? (See tighy's new thread)
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2015, 06:00:12 PM »


No need to be too dramatic. Online is most definitely still beatable at almost all stakes if you're good enough.

Nonsense and I think you know it too. Some people must really hate threads like this, scaring away their prey. Online poker is untrustworthy, deceitful dark place full of predators.

I don't hate threads like this at all.

I make money playing poker online. I do it at PLO cash, one of the easiest games for people to cheat me if they want to. I also do it in an environment where now everyone is using HUDs and software.

That does not change the fact that it is still beatable and most games you play are fair and legit.

I don't blame any recreational or online player from not playing as much or even at all online. The current environment is way worse than ever before. These are the facts.

People are much better now making games tougher. Your post however just rings of someone who is doing their bollocks online and is bitter about it.

Online is still beatable and can still be enjoyed. People just need to be more careful.

There is cheating and predatory actions in live games too.
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« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2015, 11:45:13 AM »

PokerStars and poker players react to a suspected PLO bot ring that won an estimated $1.5 million. http://ow.ly/OwdXY
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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2015, 03:18:19 PM »

Wrote on this before and got the majority pooh poohing it - though i dont believe poker sites are rigged per say - the fact is where there is easy money to be earnt you will always get people who will try and take advantage of the system to the determent of honest players.

Why people get surprised is beyond me as it happens everyday in all walks of life- there will always be people that want to make a buck the illicit way.

Lol this is absolutely nothing like the sites rigging hands. You can't even claim so yourself, so don't try and get that one through. And if you don't mean or think that it seems largely counterproductive to keep brining up that is what you actually believe over and over.


The pokernews article above is just weird. Loads of random questions asked to random guys. Not sure why plplaya thinks Russian ptr should be banned when it was one of the more useful tools for catching the bots and its not like the playerpool is so big at midstakes that you regularly see new accounts. It's just the same old faces everywhere. It's scary that stars think players are going to be thrilled that they catch 95% of bots. It doesn't really seem that high when a decent chunk are just going to 've straight up ridiculous and anyone could catch them. Think of all the crackpots who try these crazy schemes.


Oxford Chicago Joey did an interview with sauce where they discuss the bots and a wide range of other things. Basically stars security has an incentive to not catch bots that have avoided their security tools as it makes them look incompetent. Also they have a methodology for finding these bots and don't want to look outside of this to see what else they can find.


Omm from what I have read about the skier 5 program is that it kind of skirts the rules on software by not calculating anything in game, but rather it has thousands of static charts that it refers to. This is why a Nash calculator like Holdem resource calculator is not allowed, as it works this out at the time.
It seems very sketchy to me, and I have to question why stars thought this was a good line to draw. It seems way too powerful.


Arbboy you must 've trolling. The real punters play perfectly. So many regulars play badly and make nonsensical decisions. There are plenty of fish out there still who pot when they have it and half pot when they don't. Virtually every table on stars will have an extremely bad player on it. Tournaments even more so.
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