Strictly Come Dancing 2015 cleaning up at the bookies thread

[TightEnd]

there's a lot of editorial in this that can sway things

helen george gets to waft around in a lovely dress, looking a million dollars whilst kirsty gets to dress up as a dog and by the end is looking like  wookie. seems fair

i dislike theme weeks. i hate props.

give me claudia (not tess), craig being snarky and the rest will take care of itself, doesn't need gimmicks

as for jay, someone appears to have kicked him up the backside. looked completely miserable, disinterested and wooden before week one.

 

[AlunB]

I didn't aim anything at you Tal.  I heard Jay was awful early on, and there was a bit of stuff around where he said he wasn't much of a dancer.  So I laid him at about 6.0 early doors long before you had piped up.  First week I was thinking what a good lay that was.  Even last week I was thinking well so what, he can walk round gracefull.  After about 30 seconds this week I was thinking the lay was bloody awful.  Might have to just suck it up.  I do like the Anita bet, and still think Jamelia must be a bet if she can put it all together.  Ainsley was terrible this week. 

Fwiw I don't know if you heard but the digital spy strictly spoiler thread malfunctioned last week.  Got Iwan right, but think they had Kirsty in the dance off and not Jamelia.

This is Jay. Seems like a little googling might have been a plan....

Born on July 24, 1990, in the Newark section of Nottinghamshire, England, James "Jay" McGuiness was an active child who loved to sing and dance in front of the mirror with his four siblings, including his fraternal twin brother, Thomas. He also developed a love for animals, reading and art at a very young age. In addition to attending the Roman Catholic schools Holy Trinity in Newark and All Saints in Mansfield, he pursued his creativity by attending Newark's Charlotte Hamilton School of Dance (where he was bullied by his mates for expressing an interest in ballet) and the prestigious Midlands Academy of Dance and Drama in Nottingham.

[Tonji]

I didn't aim anything at you Tal.  I heard Jay was awful early on, and there was a bit of stuff around where he said he wasn't much of a dancer.  So I laid him at about 6.0 early doors long before you had piped up.  First week I was thinking what a good lay that was.  Even last week I was thinking well so what, he can walk round gracefull.  After about 30 seconds this week I was thinking the lay was bloody awful.  Might have to just suck it up.  I do like the Anita bet, and still think Jamelia must be a bet if she can put it all together.  Ainsley was terrible this week. 

Fwiw I don't know if you heard but the digital spy strictly spoiler thread malfunctioned last week.  Got Iwan right, but think they had Kirsty in the dance off and not Jamelia.

This is Jay. Seems like a little googling might have been a plan....

Born on July 24, 1990, in the Newark section of Nottinghamshire, England, James "Jay" McGuiness was an active child who loved to sing and dance in front of the mirror with his four siblings, including his fraternal twin brother, Thomas. He also developed a love for animals, reading and art at a very young age. In addition to attending the Roman Catholic schools Holy Trinity in Newark and All Saints in Mansfield, he pursued his creativity by attending Newark's Charlotte Hamilton School of Dance (where he was bullied by his mates for expressing an interest in ballet) and the prestigious Midlands Academy of Dance and Drama in Nottingham.

Looks like a big move, bookies make him a strong favourite. Overreaction?

http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/strictly-come-dancing/winner?dcmp=twt19

[TightEnd]

i got Jay completely wrong. knew he had some dance background but before week 1 he looked like he was completely hating it, and a surly character.in the group dance the night the partners were announced he had all the movement of a young sapling trying to sway in the wind but tethered with a stick

i still don't warm to him at all but that jive was something else

not quite jill halfpenny and darren bennett, primus inter pares of all SCD jives, but getting close to it

[Doobs]

I didn't aim anything at you Tal.  I heard Jay was awful early on, and there was a bit of stuff around where he said he wasn't much of a dancer.  So I laid him at about 6.0 early doors long before you had piped up.  First week I was thinking what a good lay that was.  Even last week I was thinking well so what, he can walk round gracefull.  After about 30 seconds this week I was thinking the lay was bloody awful.  Might have to just suck it up.  I do like the Anita bet, and still think Jamelia must be a bet if she can put it all together.  Ainsley was terrible this week. 

Fwiw I don't know if you heard but the digital spy strictly spoiler thread malfunctioned last week.  Got Iwan right, but think they had Kirsty in the dance off and not Jamelia.

This is Jay. Seems like a little googling might have been a plan....

Born on July 24, 1990, in the Newark section of Nottinghamshire, England, James "Jay" McGuiness was an active child who loved to sing and dance in front of the mirror with his four siblings, including his fraternal twin brother, Thomas. He also developed a love for animals, reading and art at a very young age. In addition to attending the Roman Catholic schools Holy Trinity in Newark and All Saints in Mansfield, he pursued his creativity by attending Newark's Charlotte Hamilton School of Dance (where he was bullied by his mates for expressing an interest in ballet) and the prestigious Midlands Academy of Dance and Drama in Nottingham.

I do Google them all, just sometimes stuff gets missed because I am pretty time short.  I guess it would be easier to spot today as it is now all over Twitter.

[Tonji]

i got Jay completely wrong. knew he had some dance background but before week 1 he looked like he was completely hating it, and a surly character.in the group dance the night the partners were announced he had all the movement of a young sapling trying to sway in the wind but tethered with a stick

i still don't warm to him at all but that jive was something else

not quite jill halfpenny and darren bennett, primus inter pares of all SCD jives, but getting close to it

Ok, the jive was unexpectedly Very Good, but he could be a one trick pony & looks to me to be a bit of a moody teenager prone to emotional swing.

Anyhow I'm smitten with Helen.

[AlunB]

I didn't aim anything at you Tal.  I heard Jay was awful early on, and there was a bit of stuff around where he said he wasn't much of a dancer.  So I laid him at about 6.0 early doors long before you had piped up.  First week I was thinking what a good lay that was.  Even last week I was thinking well so what, he can walk round gracefull.  After about 30 seconds this week I was thinking the lay was bloody awful.  Might have to just suck it up.  I do like the Anita bet, and still think Jamelia must be a bet if she can put it all together.  Ainsley was terrible this week. 

Fwiw I don't know if you heard but the digital spy strictly spoiler thread malfunctioned last week.  Got Iwan right, but think they had Kirsty in the dance off and not Jamelia.

This is Jay. Seems like a little googling might have been a plan....

Born on July 24, 1990, in the Newark section of Nottinghamshire, England, James "Jay" McGuiness was an active child who loved to sing and dance in front of the mirror with his four siblings, including his fraternal twin brother, Thomas. He also developed a love for animals, reading and art at a very young age. In addition to attending the Roman Catholic schools Holy Trinity in Newark and All Saints in Mansfield, he pursued his creativity by attending Newark's Charlotte Hamilton School of Dance (where he was bullied by his mates for expressing an interest in ballet) and the prestigious Midlands Academy of Dance and Drama in Nottingham.

I do Google them all, just sometimes stuff gets missed because I am pretty time short.  I guess it would be easier to spot today as it is now all over Twitter.

Yeah fair enough. It was the fourth hit on google when searching his name on Saturday. I only did so because my mum swore he must have had dance training so wanted to check.

Tighty you could have worse case scenario there. Maybe he lacked confidence on the first couple of weeks but is now "falling in love with dance again" and growing in confidence every week. The sort of stuff the public love.

[AndrewT]

Anthony Ogogo - middleweight boxer (so light on his feet), he'll have no problems doing any lifts. He shouldn't be afraid of hard work in training. At the risk of falling into a stereotype trap, as someone who is mixed race he shouldn't be all at sea when it comes to the Latin dances. He also (to my untrained eye) seems to be rather easy on the eye, which won't hurt when it comes to collecting votes. He maybe won't be brilliant straight out of the traps, but decent enough to stay in, thus giving him the opportunity to do 'the journey' and become this years Louis Smith/Caroline Flack.

I've had a look at some interviews on Youtube and he does manage to smile in them so he doesn't have the overwhelming swagger and arrogance that some boxers can have (which would be offputting to the strictly audience).

I've had a lump on at 14/1 to give me a sweat over the next few weeks. Hopefully he won't get paired with Kristina (who I see is in the papers again for stealing another husband).

Alas, poor Anthony - we hardly knew ye.

*moment of silence in memory of my money*

[Doobs]

I didn't aim anything at you Tal.  I heard Jay was awful early on, and there was a bit of stuff around where he said he wasn't much of a dancer.  So I laid him at about 6.0 early doors long before you had piped up.  First week I was thinking what a good lay that was.  Even last week I was thinking well so what, he can walk round gracefull.  After about 30 seconds this week I was thinking the lay was bloody awful.  Might have to just suck it up.  I do like the Anita bet, and still think Jamelia must be a bet if she can put it all together.  Ainsley was terrible this week. 

Fwiw I don't know if you heard but the digital spy strictly spoiler thread malfunctioned last week.  Got Iwan right, but think they had Kirsty in the dance off and not Jamelia.

This is Jay. Seems like a little googling might have been a plan....

Born on July 24, 1990, in the Newark section of Nottinghamshire, England, James "Jay" McGuiness was an active child who loved to sing and dance in front of the mirror with his four siblings, including his fraternal twin brother, Thomas. He also developed a love for animals, reading and art at a very young age. In addition to attending the Roman Catholic schools Holy Trinity in Newark and All Saints in Mansfield, he pursued his creativity by attending Newark's Charlotte Hamilton School of Dance (where he was bullied by his mates for expressing an interest in ballet) and the prestigious Midlands Academy of Dance and Drama in Nottingham.

I do Google them all, just sometimes stuff gets missed because I am pretty time short.  I guess it would be easier to spot today as it is now all over Twitter.

Yeah fair enough. It was the fourth hit on google when searching his name on Saturday. I only did so because my mum swore he must have had dance training so wanted to check.

Tighty you could have worse case scenario there. Maybe he lacked confidence on the first couple of weeks but is now "falling in love with dance again" and growing in confidence every week. The sort of stuff the public love.

Jay's relationship with wikipedia seems kind of weird.  He doesn't have his own page, which seems weird to me given the strictly dancers have their own pages and so do some very average poker players.  Then if you look at the history, the reference to his dance schooling has appeared and disappeared a few times over the last months.  That probably goes some way to explaining why I missed it, but even if I had seen it, it maybe wouldn't have stopped me laying the 2nd favourite as I am guessing at least half have been to theatre/dance school.

I am not laying off at these prices as my instinct is the price must be a lay, so I have done that instead.  I was a bit lucky in the first place as I only laid about a third of the amount I intended, because he drifted out fairly rapidly after I put the original lay up.  About time I turned it round, the series has been just a series of bad bets so far for me.

FWIW Anita is now 18 and Jamelia 170! 

 

[AlunB]

I didn't aim anything at you Tal.  I heard Jay was awful early on, and there was a bit of stuff around where he said he wasn't much of a dancer.  So I laid him at about 6.0 early doors long before you had piped up.  First week I was thinking what a good lay that was.  Even last week I was thinking well so what, he can walk round gracefull.  After about 30 seconds this week I was thinking the lay was bloody awful.  Might have to just suck it up.  I do like the Anita bet, and still think Jamelia must be a bet if she can put it all together.  Ainsley was terrible this week. 

Fwiw I don't know if you heard but the digital spy strictly spoiler thread malfunctioned last week.  Got Iwan right, but think they had Kirsty in the dance off and not Jamelia.

This is Jay. Seems like a little googling might have been a plan....

Born on July 24, 1990, in the Newark section of Nottinghamshire, England, James "Jay" McGuiness was an active child who loved to sing and dance in front of the mirror with his four siblings, including his fraternal twin brother, Thomas. He also developed a love for animals, reading and art at a very young age. In addition to attending the Roman Catholic schools Holy Trinity in Newark and All Saints in Mansfield, he pursued his creativity by attending Newark's Charlotte Hamilton School of Dance (where he was bullied by his mates for expressing an interest in ballet) and the prestigious Midlands Academy of Dance and Drama in Nottingham.

I do Google them all, just sometimes stuff gets missed because I am pretty time short.  I guess it would be easier to spot today as it is now all over Twitter.

Yeah fair enough. It was the fourth hit on google when searching his name on Saturday. I only did so because my mum swore he must have had dance training so wanted to check.

Tighty you could have worse case scenario there. Maybe he lacked confidence on the first couple of weeks but is now "falling in love with dance again" and growing in confidence every week. The sort of stuff the public love.

Jay's relationship with wikipedia seems kind of weird.  He doesn't have his own page, which seems weird to me given the strictly dancers have their own pages and so do some very average poker players.  Then if you look at the history, the reference to his dance schooling has appeared and disappeared a few times over the last months.  That probably goes some way to explaining why I missed it, but even if I had seen it, it maybe wouldn't have stopped me laying the 2nd favourite as I am guessing at least half have been to theatre/dance school.

I am not laying off at these prices as my instinct is the price must be a lay, so I have done that instead.  I was a bit lucky in the first place as I only laid about a third of the amount I intended, because he drifted out fairly rapidly after I put the original lay up.  About time I turned it round, the series has been just a series of bad bets so far for me.

FWIW Anita is now 18 and Jamelia 170! 

 

Yeah probably not clear from my post, but I meant it seems to suddenly be a lot higher in google search now than it likely was before. I didn't google him a while back but I certainly don't remember much chat about him being a trained dancer that almost everyone is talking about now as if it's always been known.

Trained dancer stuff tends not to go down well with the british public does it? So might be a value lay now if you think a) he's peaked and b) the public will turn a bit.

[AndrewT]

It's almost as if Jay (or more probably, his agent) remembered what happened to Natalie Gumede and Pixie Lott in the past, who both got stick for being ringers, and deliberately took a dive in the first couple of weeks to throw people off the scent, but it seems to have backfired due to him being too good on Saturday, as a backlash could be brewing (the public don't like being taken for mugs).

http://tv.bt.com/tv/tv-news/should-jay-mcguiness-be-allowed-to-compete-on-strictly-come-dancing-why-stars-with-dance-school-training-should-be-banned-11364010141424

That article also says that Anthony had a pop at this after he got booted out.

[TightEnd]

saturday's song choice and dances

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/strictlycomedancing/entries/29bfb417-442d-4f02-af05-d767b2e57281

Ainsley and Natalie will be Waltzing to What a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong

Anita and Gleb’s Hips Don’t Lie as they Samba to Shakira

Carol and Pasha will Paso to Trad’s Espana Cani

Daniel and Kristina will dance the American Smooth to Frank Sinatra’s Fly Me To The Moon

Georgia and Giovanni will Quickstep to S Club 7’s Reach

Helen and Aljaz will Salsa to Doctor Beat’s Miami Sound Machine

Jamelia and Tristan will do the Charleston to Straight Up by Scott Bradlee’s Postmodern Jukebox

Jay and Aliona will Quickstep to My Generation by The Who

Jeremy and Karen will Jive to Bobby Darin’s Splish Splash

Katie and Anton will perform the Viennese Waltz to Elvis Presley’s If I Can Dream

Kellie and Kevin will Foxtrot to Dream A Little Dream by Mama Cass

Kirsty and Brendan will Paso to U2’s Beautiful Day

And last but not least, Peter and Janette will dance the Tango to New Order’s Blue Monday.

[AndrewT]

Helen and Aljaz will Salsa to Doctor Beat’s Miami Sound Machine

BBC blog obviously written by someone too young to know who Gloria Estefan is.

[Tal]

A raucous crowd in Sevilla have gathered in the heat of a blistering sun. They are here to witness a hero slay a mighty beast. With a piercing fanfare, they stand to welcome the matador, caped, striding forward in leather boots, sending shuddering thuds across the arena with each step.

And there, before him, stands his foe. They will fight to the death, encircled by a baying cacophony of voices. They demand a victor.

And then some idiot presses play and we hear U flipping 2.

Kirsty isn't getting a fair deal, here.

[Tal]

I've not been able to put any time in to study the footage or to watch last week's show again. I can't recommend a bet today.