SWING LOWWW - The Rugby World Cup Thread

[Woodsey]

The number of TMO referrals was a joke yesterda, sure fire way to turn off casual fans. Should only be allowed for tries in my opinion and even then, only if the ref really isn't sure. I thought the decision to overturn the Fiji score in the corner - though clearly correct - was a joke. Once the decision has been made, it should be final. Questionable as to whether they would have showed the same angle pre-conversion if it wasn't the host nation.

They need to sort that one out asap, and I mean now before the next game. As Wilko said on TV they need a protocol to follow.

[rinswun]

Having watched the game again this morning, I genuinely believe England are going to struggle to get out of the group. England conceded an incredible amount of turnovers against a pretty modest Fiji pack and did not create many of their own. Australia and Wales have 4 of the best turnover creators on the planet in Hooper, Pocock, Warburton and Tiperic. They will have a field day against this English pack and their backs will be much more organised than the Fijians. More than ever the stubborn decision to leave Armitage over in France is looking foolish.

[TightEnd]

and while we are griping, shut the heck up when the fijians are doing the cibi, the all balcks are doing the haka, samoans, tongans etc

i don't want to hear 80,000 ra-ra's singing a frankly incongruous negro spiritual while one of the greatest specatcles in sport is drowned out, as last night

and while we are at stop singing swing low entirely. utterly ridiculous

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/rugby-world-cup-why-its-time-for-england-to-stop-singing-swing-low-sweet-chariot-10505568.html

but mainly, shut up while the cibi and the haka are on. its fantastic, don't ruin it

[Woodsey]

and while we are griping, shut the heck up when the fijians are doing the cibi, the all balcks are doing the haka, samoans, tongans etc

i don't want to hear 80,000 ra-ra's singing a frankly incongruous negro spiritual while one of the greatest specatcles in sport is drowned out, as last night

and while we are at stop singing swing low entirely. utterly ridiculous

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/rugby-world-cup-why-its-time-for-england-to-stop-singing-swing-low-sweet-chariot-10505568.html

but mainly, shut up while the cibi and the haka are on. its fantastic, don't ruin it

Nah drown the fuckers out and make them feel intimidated 

[Woodsey]

Having watched the game again this morning, I genuinely believe England are going to struggle to get out of the group. England conceded an incredible amount of turnovers against a pretty modest Fiji pack and did not create many of their own. Australia and Wales have 4 of the best turnover creators on the planet in Hooper, Pocock, Warburton and Tiperic. They will have a field day against this English pack and their backs will be much more organised than the Fijians. More than ever the stubborn decision to leave Armitage over in France is looking foolish.

Well if they play like that again they won't for sure.....

[TightEnd]

and while we are griping, shut the heck up when the fijians are doing the cibi, the all balcks are doing the haka, samoans, tongans etc

i don't want to hear 80,000 ra-ra's singing a frankly incongruous negro spiritual while one of the greatest specatcles in sport is drowned out, as last night

and while we are at stop singing swing low entirely. utterly ridiculous

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/rugby-world-cup-why-its-time-for-england-to-stop-singing-swing-low-sweet-chariot-10505568.html

but mainly, shut up while the cibi and the haka are on. its fantastic, don't ruin it

Nah drown the fuckers out and make them feel intimidated 

not likely

a bit like cockerill and hewitt

challenge it, fire them up and get smashed or just respectfully accept the challenge and enjoy the spectacle?

[Woodsey]

and while we are griping, shut the heck up when the fijians are doing the cibi, the all balcks are doing the haka, samoans, tongans etc

i don't want to hear 80,000 ra-ra's singing a frankly incongruous negro spiritual while one of the greatest specatcles in sport is drowned out, as last night

and while we are at stop singing swing low entirely. utterly ridiculous

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/rugby-world-cup-why-its-time-for-england-to-stop-singing-swing-low-sweet-chariot-10505568.html

but mainly, shut up while the cibi and the haka are on. its fantastic, don't ruin it

Nah drown the fuckers out and make them feel intimidated 

not likely

a bit like cockerill and hewitt

challenge it, fire them up and get smashed or just respectfully accept the challenge and enjoy the spectacle?

Doesn't matter what song they sing, the wall of noise and support fires our boys up also, don't give an inch, stuff the spectacle..

[TightEnd]

and while we are griping, shut the heck up when the fijians are doing the cibi, the all balcks are doing the haka, samoans, tongans etc

i don't want to hear 80,000 ra-ra's singing a frankly incongruous negro spiritual while one of the greatest specatcles in sport is drowned out, as last night

and while we are at stop singing swing low entirely. utterly ridiculous

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/rugby-world-cup-why-its-time-for-england-to-stop-singing-swing-low-sweet-chariot-10505568.html

but mainly, shut up while the cibi and the haka are on. its fantastic, don't ruin it

Nah drown the fuckers out and make them feel intimidated 

not likely

a bit like cockerill and hewitt

challenge it, fire them up and get smashed or just respectfully accept the challenge and enjoy the spectacle?

Doesn't matter what song they sing, the wall of noise and support fires our boys up also, don't give an inch, stuff the spectacle..

got to celebrate the cultural diversity that these war dances bring

a really good haka is spine tingling. a great sporting moment

i want to listen to them, not have them drowned out

[Woodsey]

and while we are griping, shut the heck up when the fijians are doing the cibi, the all balcks are doing the haka, samoans, tongans etc

i don't want to hear 80,000 ra-ra's singing a frankly incongruous negro spiritual while one of the greatest specatcles in sport is drowned out, as last night

and while we are at stop singing swing low entirely. utterly ridiculous

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/rugby-world-cup-why-its-time-for-england-to-stop-singing-swing-low-sweet-chariot-10505568.html

but mainly, shut up while the cibi and the haka are on. its fantastic, don't ruin it

Nah drown the fuckers out and make them feel intimidated 

not likely

a bit like cockerill and hewitt

challenge it, fire them up and get smashed or just respectfully accept the challenge and enjoy the spectacle?

Doesn't matter what song they sing, the wall of noise and support fires our boys up also, don't give an inch, stuff the spectacle..

got to celebrate the cultural diversity that these war dances bring

a really good haka is spine tingling. a great sporting moment

i want to listen to them, not have them drowned out

Never gonna happen, team noise wins 

[tikay]

The number of TMO referrals was a joke yesterda, sure fire way to turn off casual fans. Should only be allowed for tries in my opinion and even then, only if the ref really isn't sure. I thought the decision to overturn the Fiji score in the corner - though clearly correct - was a joke. Once the decision has been made, it should be final. Questionable as to whether they would have showed the same angle pre-conversion if it wasn't the host nation.

Glad you mentioned that, as I was going to ask, but felt foolish.

As a casual fan, the way I saw it, the try had been awarded. We know that, because the referee did not demur, & they were about to kick for the conversion.

Then, just before the kick was taken, in comes TMO.

What would have happened if the conversion had been taken & THEN they spotted the infringement?

At what point is a decision deemed final?

[Woodsey]

The number of TMO referrals was a joke yesterda, sure fire way to turn off casual fans. Should only be allowed for tries in my opinion and even then, only if the ref really isn't sure. I thought the decision to overturn the Fiji score in the corner - though clearly correct - was a joke. Once the decision has been made, it should be final. Questionable as to whether they would have showed the same angle pre-conversion if it wasn't the host nation.

Glad you mentioned that, as I was going to ask, but felt foolish.

As a casual fan, the way I saw it, the try had been awarded. We know that, because the referee did not demur, & they were about to kick for the conversion.

Then, just before the kick was taken, in comes TMO.

What would have happened if the conversion had been taken & THEN they spotted the infringement?

At what point is a decision deemed final?

That's the point there a isn't one an official point the decision is final, never seen that happen before.

[TightEnd]

The number of TMO referrals was a joke yesterda, sure fire way to turn off casual fans. Should only be allowed for tries in my opinion and even then, only if the ref really isn't sure. I thought the decision to overturn the Fiji score in the corner - though clearly correct - was a joke. Once the decision has been made, it should be final. Questionable as to whether they would have showed the same angle pre-conversion if it wasn't the host nation.

Glad you mentioned that, as I was going to ask, but felt foolish.

As a casual fan, the way I saw it, the try had been awarded. We know that, because the referee did not demur, & they were about to kick for the conversion.

Then, just before the kick was taken, in comes TMO.

What would have happened if the conversion had been taken & THEN they spotted the infringement?

At what point is a decision deemed final?

the application of the laws is wonky..but the answer is once the conversion is taken thats it

in contrast my view is that if the referee awards the try and chooses not to refer that should be it

what if the big screen operator chooses to show the questionable try of the away team and then not of the home team later on? its open to abuse

TMO is generally a good thing but its close to being applied far too widely.

for example last night there is a potential foul play, and play goes on as its unspotted by the ref. several minutes later he is asked to look at the big screen. unnecessary. ping the ref in his ear to stop play as soon as it happens not several minutes later

 

[tikay]

The number of TMO referrals was a joke yesterda, sure fire way to turn off casual fans. Should only be allowed for tries in my opinion and even then, only if the ref really isn't sure. I thought the decision to overturn the Fiji score in the corner - though clearly correct - was a joke. Once the decision has been made, it should be final. Questionable as to whether they would have showed the same angle pre-conversion if it wasn't the host nation.

Glad you mentioned that, as I was going to ask, but felt foolish.

As a casual fan, the way I saw it, the try had been awarded. We know that, because the referee did not demur, & they were about to kick for the conversion.

Then, just before the kick was taken, in comes TMO.

What would have happened if the conversion had been taken & THEN they spotted the infringement?

At what point is a decision deemed final?

the application of the laws is wonky..but the answer is once the conversion is taken thats it

in contrast my view is that if the referee awards the try and chooses not to refer that should be it

what if the big screen operator chooses to show the questionable try of the away team and then not of the home team later on? its open to abuse

TMO is generally a good thing but its close to being applied far too widely.

for example last night there is a potential foul play, and play goes on as its unspotted by the ref. several minutes later he is asked to look at the big screen. unnecessary. ping the ref in his ear to stop play as soon as it happens not several minutes later

 

I don't believe the TMO would abuse it in that or any other way. But it's a bit like the HUD debate, there would be a perception that they would.

As to your last para, that was the infringement in the ruck, I assume? It just seemed ridiculous to spot it so late. Again, where is the line drawn? 30 seconds later, 1 minute later, 5 minutes later, after play ends?

[TightEnd]

not the TMO abusing it, the big screen operator. the stadium has staff that operate it

(not saying its likely, but its at least possible)


as to a line being drawn, there isn't one. this is why a 40 minute half takes 54 minutes.....

[Doobs]

and while we are griping, shut the heck up when the fijians are doing the cibi, the all balcks are doing the haka, samoans, tongans etc

i don't want to hear 80,000 ra-ra's singing a frankly incongruous negro spiritual while one of the greatest specatcles in sport is drowned out, as last night

and while we are at stop singing swing low entirely. utterly ridiculous

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/rugby-world-cup-why-its-time-for-england-to-stop-singing-swing-low-sweet-chariot-10505568.html

but mainly, shut up while the cibi and the haka are on. its fantastic, don't ruin it

Seems a bit much to stop singing songs because of their origin.  By singing it people aren't ever using it to show their support for slavery.  Both my kids have come home singing baa baa black sheep (and every other colour sheep).  It also has a dubious origins, but I am not going to get hung up with it.  Where do we stop?  Refusing to dance to hip hop and stand in respect for the black protest movement instead?  I do like the haka though, shame if it gets drowned out.  Talking offensive, are we going to discuss the hakarena.  It was introduced by a giggling newsreader the other day, "some might find this offensive", no kidding.

Anyway the word negro jars more to me than the singing of the song.  Feels like a word we should stop using even if the context may be right before spiritual.  Sure black spiritual would work just as well. 

Discuss, though maybe on another thread