The McCanns

[Doobs]

i don't know what has gone on behind closed doors and i hesitate to even write this because they've lost a child and it seems unreasonable to even think it.

but there just has never seemed quite enough grief from them as a pair of parents in these circumstances

Wholeheartedly agree.

I also think in such cases the statistics point to the perp being known to the victims. It seems unlikely we'll ever know what happened to that poor girl and it's a complete and utter tragedy. Something, somewhere, doesn't fit, but I can't quite work out what it is. It may be the 'grief' thing.

Doesn't the fact that you can't work it out mean that you shouldn't even make that statement ? Imagine the horror of this genuinely happening to you and then people thinking you were involved.

Also think judging someone else's grief is just a terrible idea.

I would spend every single penny I had trying to find her and would raise money by any possible means to aid that search.

I completely agree with the above and as a parent now I cannot begin to imagine what they went through but. . . .

They did Drug/sedate two children under 6, leave them home alone, in an environment that they did not control or were familiar with to go and have a meal with friends and this seems to be forgotten.  I can't see they have ever been bought to task over it and IF (big if as I have no idea) the sedative was a prescribed drug I cannot believe he is still licenced to be a doctor.

If I was caught doing similar my kids would be taken away from me I assume, or they should be.

Maybe they haven't been brought to task on the sedative as it is likely horseshit?

[horseplayer]

Don't want to comment on the grief as It is different for everyone.

However the case has now had over 10 million spent on it. What is the average spend on a missing child in the UK? I would imagine low 4 figures if that.

[scotty2hatty]

i don't know what has gone on behind closed doors and i hesitate to even write this because they've lost a child and it seems unreasonable to even think it.

but there just has never seemed quite enough grief from them as a pair of parents in these circumstances

Wholeheartedly agree.

I also think in such cases the statistics point to the perp being known to the victims. It seems unlikely we'll ever know what happened to that poor girl and it's a complete and utter tragedy. Something, somewhere, doesn't fit, but I can't quite work out what it is. It may be the 'grief' thing.

Doesn't the fact that you can't work it out mean that you shouldn't even make that statement ? Imagine the horror of this genuinely happening to you and then people thinking you were involved.

Also think judging someone else's grief is just a terrible idea.

I would spend every single penny I had trying to find her and would raise money by any possible means to aid that search.

I completely agree with the above and as a parent now I cannot begin to imagine what they went through but. . . .

They did Drug/sedate two children under 6, leave them home alone, in an environment that they did not control or were familiar with to go and have a meal with friends and this seems to be forgotten.  I can't see they have ever been bought to task over it and IF (big if as I have no idea) the sedative was a prescribed drug I cannot believe he is still licenced to be a doctor.

If I was caught doing similar my kids would be taken away from me I assume, or they should be.

Oh

[Nakor]

i don't know what has gone on behind closed doors and i hesitate to even write this because they've lost a child and it seems unreasonable to even think it.

but there just has never seemed quite enough grief from them as a pair of parents in these circumstances

Wholeheartedly agree.

I also think in such cases the statistics point to the perp being known to the victims. It seems unlikely we'll ever know what happened to that poor girl and it's a complete and utter tragedy. Something, somewhere, doesn't fit, but I can't quite work out what it is. It may be the 'grief' thing.

Doesn't the fact that you can't work it out mean that you shouldn't even make that statement ? Imagine the horror of this genuinely happening to you and then people thinking you were involved.

Also think judging someone else's grief is just a terrible idea.

I would spend every single penny I had trying to find her and would raise money by any possible means to aid that search.

I completely agree with the above and as a parent now I cannot begin to imagine what they went through but. . . .

They did Drug/sedate two children under 6, leave them home alone, in an environment that they did not control or were familiar with to go and have a meal with friends and this seems to be forgotten.  I can't see they have ever been bought to task over it and IF (big if as I have no idea) the sedative was a prescribed drug I cannot believe he is still licenced to be a doctor.

If I was caught doing similar my kids would be taken away from me I assume, or they should be.

Maybe they haven't been brought to task on the sedative as it is likely horseshit?

I am by no means an expert on the case, but I believe that the original investigation they admitted administering a sedative and indeed admitted it was not the first time.
I believe the conjecture is what the sedative was.  I give my kids Calpol when they are ill, it helps them sleep, do I feel I am sedating them, no, but the reality is different I guess.  Never given my kids Calpol to help them sleep when they are not ill though, maybe this is common practice.

Its all very sad and we are never going to know the truth of that we can be sure I guess.

[Nakor]

i don't know what has gone on behind closed doors and i hesitate to even write this because they've lost a child and it seems unreasonable to even think it.

but there just has never seemed quite enough grief from them as a pair of parents in these circumstances

Wholeheartedly agree.

I also think in such cases the statistics point to the perp being known to the victims. It seems unlikely we'll ever know what happened to that poor girl and it's a complete and utter tragedy. Something, somewhere, doesn't fit, but I can't quite work out what it is. It may be the 'grief' thing.

Doesn't the fact that you can't work it out mean that you shouldn't even make that statement ? Imagine the horror of this genuinely happening to you and then people thinking you were involved.

Also think judging someone else's grief is just a terrible idea.

I would spend every single penny I had trying to find her and would raise money by any possible means to aid that search.

I completely agree with the above and as a parent now I cannot begin to imagine what they went through but. . . .

They did Drug/sedate two children under 6, leave them home alone, in an environment that they did not control or were familiar with to go and have a meal with friends and this seems to be forgotten.  I can't see they have ever been bought to task over it and IF (big if as I have no idea) the sedative was a prescribed drug I cannot believe he is still licenced to be a doctor.

If I was caught doing similar my kids would be taken away from me I assume, or they should be.

Oh

Maybe could have been worded better and finished with a question mark.

[Doobs]

i don't know what has gone on behind closed doors and i hesitate to even write this because they've lost a child and it seems unreasonable to even think it.

but there just has never seemed quite enough grief from them as a pair of parents in these circumstances

Wholeheartedly agree.

I also think in such cases the statistics point to the perp being known to the victims. It seems unlikely we'll ever know what happened to that poor girl and it's a complete and utter tragedy. Something, somewhere, doesn't fit, but I can't quite work out what it is. It may be the 'grief' thing.

Doesn't the fact that you can't work it out mean that you shouldn't even make that statement ? Imagine the horror of this genuinely happening to you and then people thinking you were involved.

Also think judging someone else's grief is just a terrible idea.

I would spend every single penny I had trying to find her and would raise money by any possible means to aid that search.

I completely agree with the above and as a parent now I cannot begin to imagine what they went through but. . . .

They did Drug/sedate two children under 6, leave them home alone, in an environment that they did not control or were familiar with to go and have a meal with friends and this seems to be forgotten.  I can't see they have ever been bought to task over it and IF (big if as I have no idea) the sedative was a prescribed drug I cannot believe he is still licenced to be a doctor.

If I was caught doing similar my kids would be taken away from me I assume, or they should be.

Oh

Maybe could have been worded better and finished with a question mark.

Isn't it one of the things they denied and the local police seemed pretty awful and unreliable?

I don't like the way Calpol and sedative is used interchangeably either.  Though they admitted having Calpol, I don't think they admitted using it for anything. 

Fwiw I don't use it as a sedative either, suspect it would be a bad one.  The only sedative effects will be to stop them telling me they aren't well and need Calpol. 

[david3103]

Don't want to comment on the grief as It is different for everyone.

However the case has now had over 10 million spent on it. What is the average spend on a missing child in the UK? I would imagine low 4 figures if that.

I think you need a bit more imagination.

The search for Shannon Matthews ran to over £3,000,000 and that was over in less than a month.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/12/shannonmatthews-biggest-search


The McCanns have, and are suffering whatever happened. I won't be buying their books, nor any others on the topic. Nor will I lower myself to go trawling through the dirtier edges of the Internet to read vague rumours and outright untruths about the matter.

[The Camel]

People react to difficult circumstances in entirely unique ways.

Being in the latter stages of a big poker tournament is probably 1% as stressful as losing your child, but I've seen normally talkative people go absolutely silent and those who never utter a word become as talkative as a hybrid version of Neil Channing and Paul Parker.

Stress causes people to do weird stuff, no one should judge anyone on how they react to losing their daughter, even if they've lost their lost their own child.

Evidence is the only way to judge whether the McCanns had anything to do with the disappearance of Maddie.

[George2Loose]

Problem is we're all speculating.

Yes what they did was wrong leaving them but if they weren't involved they've paid the ultimate price for it.

How old are the youngest two now? I wonder how much they've been exposed to this. Must be a pretty difficult conversation to have.

[horseplayer]

Don't want to comment on the grief as It is different for everyone.

However the case has now had over 10 million spent on it. What is the average spend on a missing child in the UK? I would imagine low 4 figures if that.

I think you need a bit more imagination.

The search for Shannon Matthews ran to over £3,000,000 and that was over in less than a month.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/12/shannonmatthews-biggest-search


The McCanns have, and are suffering whatever happened. I won't be buying their books, nor any others on the topic. Nor will I lower myself to go trawling through the dirtier edges of the Internet to read vague rumours and outright untruths about the matter.

The average spend for.a child.in the UK. Is millions?  Sorry that can't be right

[Doobs]

People react to difficult circumstances in entirely unique ways.

Being in the latter stages of a big poker tournament is probably 1% as stressful as losing your child, but I've seen normally talkative people go absolutely silent and those who never utter a word become as talkative as a hybrid version of Neil Channing and Paul Parker.

Stress causes people to do weird stuff, no one should judge anyone on how they react to losing their daughter, even if they've lost their lost their own child.

Evidence is the only way to judge whether the McCanns had anything to do with the disappearance of Maddie.

Despite all the money spent, I don't think there is much evidence either way.  They did leave their kids alone, but they weren't far away and they say they checked on them.  I can't see me ever doing what they did, but it is inevitable I am going to leave my 3 year old alone in front of the TV, with her toys whilst doing stuff in different parts of the house/garden, so not sure I am much different.  If that is all they did, they didn't deserve to lose their child. 

I can't see me buying the book or tuning in to hear what they are saying now.  I guess it will always be one of those things I am not sure of.

[The Camel]

People react to difficult circumstances in entirely unique ways.

Being in the latter stages of a big poker tournament is probably 1% as stressful as losing your child, but I've seen normally talkative people go absolutely silent and those who never utter a word become as talkative as a hybrid version of Neil Channing and Paul Parker.

Stress causes people to do weird stuff, no one should judge anyone on how they react to losing their daughter, even if they've lost their lost their own child.

Evidence is the only way to judge whether the McCanns had anything to do with the disappearance of Maddie.

Despite all the money spent, I don't think there is much evidence either way.  They did leave their kids alone, but they weren't far away and they say they checked on them.  I can't see me ever doing what they did, but it is inevitable I am going to leave my 3 year old alone in front of the TV, with her toys whilst doing stuff in different parts of the house/garden, so not sure I am much different.  If that is all they did, they didn't deserve to lose their child. 

I can't see me buying the book or tuning in to hear what they are saying now.  I guess it will always be one of those things I am not sure of.

I hope the book focuses on their treatment by cyber bullies and some sections of the media.

I don't think there's anything they could add to the case.

[RickBFA]

if this had happened to a working class family where they had left the children alone, they would have got a lot more stick.

It must live with them every second of every day. Can't imagine how they deal with it.

[david3103]

Don't want to comment on the grief as It is different for everyone.

However the case has now had over 10 million spent on it. What is the average spend on a missing child in the UK? I would imagine low 4 figures if that.

I think you need a bit more imagination.

The search for Shannon Matthews ran to over £3,000,000 and that was over in less than a month.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/12/shannonmatthews-biggest-search


The McCanns have, and are suffering whatever happened. I won't be buying their books, nor any others on the topic. Nor will I lower myself to go trawling through the dirtier edges of the Internet to read vague rumours and outright untruths about the matter.

The average spend for.a child.in the UK. Is millions?  Sorry that can't be right

Certainly won't be low four figures, that's just a nonsense figure you plucked out of the air in an attempt to make a point.

Any missing child creates a need for a large scale search which involves lots of policing and lots of overtime etc. The Shannon Matthews case costs were confirmed in court as reported in the article I linked to.
That search lasted for 24 days, most probably don't last that long for one reason or another, but it's never going to be cheap.

[horseplayer]

grow up david

trying to make a point? the figure of 10 million is conservative (several higher amounts with a quick google)

i dont blame them one bit for taking every resource available to them just making the point not a chance the average spend on a missing child is anywhere near that.

You have quoted one other very high profile as your point

well done