Happy Mondays

[david3103]

I would much rather DTD lower their guarantees than allowed re entries again.

I massively applauded Rob's decision to stop re entries, I think that was a tremendous move for the good of poker.

2 sentences that I totally agree with.

Yep.

A yep that I totally agree with.

Right, but did any of you enter the tournament?

This forum and the Facebook community group was just about in favour of scrapping re-entry. Yet clearly those people didn't play anyway.

So can see why Rob is tearing his hair out.

Are you saying that only those who are playing the event should be allowed an opinion?

Of course not, but it should be taken with a pinch of salt. It's like a chef asking a vegetarian whether there should be pork or lamb on the menu.

More like the chef asking a vegetarian about what he can put on the menu to attract him to his restaurant.
I was a frequent visitor to DTD for a fair few years. It's not just the re-entry issue that has stopped me lately, but it was significant and I am now out of the routine/habit. The changes make me more inclined to get back in the swing, but it was never going to be an instant response.

[George2Loose]

Think what Alex is saying is that most who have an opinion on re entries aren't now supporting the club and perhaps don't speak for those who were actually voting with their pocket and re entering.

I didn't play this comp due to mon day 2 tues day 3. A bizarre decision. Let's make it a level playing field by banning same day re entry but then make it inaccessible for a huge % of people who work for a living at a time of year when most probably don't have much annual leave left.

And +1 on the guarantee. It really doesn't make a difference whether this gte is a million or 500k. I wonder how much money was done in satties too?

Offer a sensible guarantee and even add money to the final 9 if u want to attract players?

[david3103]

Think what Alex is saying is that most who have an opinion on re entries aren't now supporting the club and perhaps don't speak for those who were actually voting with their pocket and re entering.

I didn't play this comp due to mon day 2 tues day 3. A bizarre decision. Let's make it a level playing field by banning same day re entry but then make it inaccessible for a huge % of people who work for a living at a time of year when most probably don't have much annual leave left.

And +1 on the guarantee. It really doesn't make a difference whether this gte is a million or 500k. I wonder how much money was done in satties too?

Offer a sensible guarantee and even add money to the final 9 if u want to attract players?

The people who were re-entering were doing it to support the club? Really? How very altruistic of them.

Agree with the thoughts on Monday Tuesday issue and on the guarantees.

[cambridgealex]

Think what Alex is saying is that most who have an opinion on re entries aren't now supporting the club and perhaps don't speak for those who were actually voting with their pocket and re entering.

I didn't play this comp due to mon day 2 tues day 3. A bizarre decision. Let's make it a level playing field by banning same day re entry but then make it inaccessible for a huge % of people who work for a living at a time of year when most probably don't have much annual leave left.

And +1 on the guarantee. It really doesn't make a difference whether this gte is a million or 500k. I wonder how much money was done in satties too?

Offer a sensible guarantee and even add money to the final 9 if u want to attract players?

The people who were re-entering were doing it to support the club? Really? How very altruistic of them.

Agree with the thoughts on Monday Tuesday issue and on the guarantees.

Sounds like Rob and the WPT need to make their flagship comp a 2 day freezeout, with day 1 Saturday, day 2 Sunday, fantastic structure, but must be finished by midnight, no re-entry, minimal late reg, with an easily achievable guarantee  

[aaron1867]

The Monday &Tuesday scenario has definitely put people off. Obviously by the looks of this thread, it needs to be tweaked.

The re-entry argument can go on for many days, but surely the middle ground would surely be just to allow one single re-entry?

[david3103]

Think what Alex is saying is that most who have an opinion on re entries aren't now supporting the club and perhaps don't speak for those who were actually voting with their pocket and re entering.

I didn't play this comp due to mon day 2 tues day 3. A bizarre decision. Let's make it a level playing field by banning same day re entry but then make it inaccessible for a huge % of people who work for a living at a time of year when most probably don't have much annual leave left.

And +1 on the guarantee. It really doesn't make a difference whether this gte is a million or 500k. I wonder how much money was done in satties too?

Offer a sensible guarantee and even add money to the final 9 if u want to attract players?

The people who were re-entering were doing it to support the club? Really? How very altruistic of them.

Agree with the thoughts on Monday Tuesday issue and on the guarantees.

Sounds like Rob and the WPT need to make their flagship comp a 2 day freezeout, with day 1 Saturday, day 2 Sunday, fantastic structure, but must be finished by midnight, no re-entry, minimal late reg, with an easily achievable guarantee  

Not at all. You are viewing this from a totally different perspective from those who have a life outside of poker.

There is a need to accept that the flagship events won't attract as many recreational players if they extend beyond the weekend. What's wrong with tournaments ending on Sunday night?
There seems to be a consensus among the posters that planning Thursday and/or Friday as holiday is far easier than discovering, late on Sunday night, that you need to take Monday, and possibly Tuesday off.

[ripple11]

Think what Alex is saying is that most who have an opinion on re entries aren't now supporting the club and perhaps don't speak for those who were actually voting with their pocket and re entering.

I didn't play this comp due to mon day 2 tues day 3. A bizarre decision. Let's make it a level playing field by banning same day re entry but then make it inaccessible for a huge % of people who work for a living at a time of year when most probably don't have much annual leave left.

And +1 on the guarantee. It really doesn't make a difference whether this gte is a million or 500k. I wonder how much money was done in satties too?

Offer a sensible guarantee and even add money to the final 9 if u want to attract players?

The people who were re-entering were doing it to support the club? Really? How very altruistic of them.

Agree with the thoughts on Monday Tuesday issue and on the guarantees.

Sounds like Rob and the WPT need to make their flagship comp a 2 day freezeout, with day 1 Saturday, day 2 Sunday, fantastic structure, but must be finished by midnight, no re-entry, minimal late reg, with an easily achievable guarantee  

Not at all. You are viewing this from a totally different perspective from those who have a life outside of poker.

There is a need to accept that the flagship events won't attract as many recreational players if they extend beyond the weekend. What's wrong with tournaments ending on Sunday night?
There seems to be a consensus among the posters that planning Thursday and/or Friday as holiday is far easier than discovering, late on Sunday night, that you need to take Monday, and possibly Tuesday off.

Agree and if you run online day1's as well, you are going to keep the vast amount of potential players happy.

[George2Loose]

All I'm saying is Alex there's a contradiction in aims if you're trying to level the playing field for non pros but then holding your Comps over weekdays.

Obviously if your target market is pros it doesn't matter

[WotRTheChances]

What do people think about running a comp like the WPT over two weekends? Say 1A Friday, 1B & 1C Saturday (afternoon & eve) 1D & 1E Sunday, 1F the following Thursday eve and 1G on the Friday eve, then Day 2 Saturday, Day 3 Sunday, FT Monday? Players who are travelling from a long way away can just play the last day 1 and stay the weekend, knowing if they have to free up Monday it will definitely be worth it. Others could come down for the 1st weekend and come back the following weekend for day 2/3 etc. Could run day 1s throughout the week, or keep mon-thurs for smaller sides.

Can't really think of a way of making a 3+ day comp not run into a weekday one way or another.

[cambridgealex]

Robs data just doesn't support this theory George

And David saying: There is a need to accept (horribly patronising language btw) that the flagship events won't attract as many recreational players if they extend beyond the weekend"

Rob:

 "We have got our biggest numbers running UKIPTs into a Monday for final table so I thought having day 1s on Sat and Sun would be popular and offset any losses in players who couldn't take mon-tue off V thu Fri. "

" I'd love the reasons to be times / scheduling as that's such as easy fix - but that's wishful thinking I'm afraid"

[WotRTheChances]

Robs data just doesn't support this theory George

And David saying: There is a need to accept (horribly patronising language btw) that the flagship events won't attract as many recreational players if they extend beyond the weekend"

Rob:

 "We have got our biggest numbers running UKIPTs into a Monday for final table so I thought having day 1s on Sat and Sun would be popular and offset any losses in players who couldn't take mon-tue off V thu Fri. "

" I'd love the reasons to be times / scheduling as that's such as easy fix - but that's wishful thinking I'm afraid"

Is there not quite a big difference between a Monday final table as you've quoted about the UKIPT's huge fields and the WPT500 where day 2 was Monday and still 50 players making the final day on the Tuesday. If you're only having to make last minute work plans based on making a final table of a big live tournament I wouldn't have thought it would put a lot of people off. If you're having to take a day off for making day 2 (and likely not even cashing) and a further day off on the Tuesday if you reach the final 50 (still not locking up a huge cash, but certainly nothing to sniff at) then I can undestand anyone in full time employment being unwilling to take all that time off with such a minimal chance of it being en route to a life-changing cash.

[George2Loose]

Toms right. Huge difference between running a final table on a Monday than having to play both Monday and possibly Tuesday. Just isn't feasible for people who have jobs which is fine if the WPT is aimed at pros but not if you're trying to create a level playing field for all.

Robs data may be looking at it in terms of re entry but you can't get enough re entries if u don't attract enough unique entries in the first place.

[HutchGF]

Pros want recs in the field, but want long, 3 to 4 day structures.

Can't have your cake and eat it.

Surely there's a middle ground here?

[cambridgealex]

Robs data just doesn't support this theory George

And David saying: There is a need to accept (horribly patronising language btw) that the flagship events won't attract as many recreational players if they extend beyond the weekend"

Rob:

 "We have got our biggest numbers running UKIPTs into a Monday for final table so I thought having day 1s on Sat and Sun would be popular and offset any losses in players who couldn't take mon-tue off V thu Fri. "

" I'd love the reasons to be times / scheduling as that's such as easy fix - but that's wishful thinking I'm afraid"

Is there not quite a big difference between a Monday final table as you've quoted about the UKIPT's huge fields and the WPT500 where day 2 was Monday and still 50 players making the final day on the Tuesday. If you're only having to make last minute work plans based on making a final table of a big live tournament I wouldn't have thought it would put a lot of people off. If you're having to take a day off for making day 2 (and likely not even cashing) and a further day off on the Tuesday if you reach the final 50 (still not locking up a huge cash, but certainly nothing to sniff at) then I can undestan anyone in full time employment being unwilling to take all that time off with such a minimal chance of it being en route to a life-changing cash.

I'm just going on what Rob has said since he's best placed to judge. If it was an easy fix with the scheduling then that'd be easy.  This is getting like the football threads.

[The Camel]

The obvious factor everyone seems to be ignoring..

Poker is declining in popularity.