Happy Mondays

[tikay]

Got an interesting (?)  question for you to step on.

Traditionally, Live Festival Main Events (assume a 4 day event with a guarantee of around £1 million) finish on a Sunday, with Days A & B on Thursday & Friday.

UKIPT now make 1a & 1b Friday & Saturday, with Day 2 Sunday, & the Final on Monday.

Is this better - for most - than the traditional Sunday finish?

Assuming a 1,000 runner field, 1% - 10 players - would need to return on Monday, & if that included recreationals, the chance of a 6 figure payday must surely be worth a day off work? Pros would not be too fussed either way, presumably?

At the front end of the Event, Days A & B move from Thurs/Fri, to Fri/Sat, so it is one day less off work, or even no days off at all.

Pros & cons, & why, yes please.   

[HutchGF]

Got an interesting (?)  question for you to step on.

Traditionally, Live Festival Main Events (assume a 4 day event with a guarantee of around £1 million) finish on a Sunday, with Days A & B on Thursday & Friday.

UKIPT now make 1a & 1b Friday & Saturday, with Day 2 Sunday, & the Final on Monday.

Is this better - for most - than the traditional Sunday finish?

Assuming a 1,000 runner field, 1% - 10 players - would need to return on Monday, & if that included recreationals, the chance of a 6 figure payday must surely be worth a day off work? Pros would not be too fussed either way, presumably?

At the front end of the Event, Days A & B move from Thurs/Fri, to Fri/Sat, so it is one day less off work, or even no days off at all.

Pros & cons, & why, please? 

You're making an assumption that the extra day off work is a possibility. I cannot take any days off my job outside of scheduled holidays and I'm sure I'm not the only rec that falls into this category. I'd love to give a couple of these a spin but unfortunately I cannot. I refuse to take 'sickies' as the whole idea of that doesn't sit well with me at all. The GUKPT is in my hometown in the next couple of weeks and whilst all the locals are getting very excited, I cannot play at all.

The whole 4day comp completely ruins me for anything, except in school hols unfortunately.

[TightEnd]

i like fri/mon from an operator point of view. more chance of two bumper day ones with one taking place on a saturday

i think it is better for most players too, particularly travelling players, who would not play thurs, waiting with an empty day for a day two on a saturday

downside would be difficulty of getting an atmosphere for a final table on a monday, but then again you are comparing with an often late night sunday final where getting a stream audience, say, is tough after midnight

[bergeroo]

a compromise on these two ideas seems to be what DTD often does and has two day ones on the same day, early and late, so the working players can play the late one if they want to. Straight from work and jump in second level or so is a possibility for those with regular hours.

For the record UKIPT Edinburgh is Thurs/Sun as was Bristol, so perhaps they have gone back to that after trying finals on a Sunday.

For me I much prefer final day to be on a sunday, so if I miss a Sunday online, I'd like it to be for a deep run/final table.

[Rexas]

Tbh, I imagine most people prefer a Sunday finish. From the pros POV it doesn't matter too much either way, although as bergeroo said if you're going to miss a Sunday for a live tournament it's probably better that it's a tournament that's already a deep run. Certainly for me, these Monday/Tuesday day 2/3s are a pain because it has to fit around work, and I would prefer it if I could turn up on the Friday night, play a day 1 and then (hopefully) play day 2 Sat and day 3 Sun. Also I imagine from the pros pov, if finishing on Sunday invites more recreational players to come along then it's got to be a good thing, and since the atmosphere atm is very much about making the game as accessible as possible for the recreational players I'm surprised to see the move to midweek finishes.

[arbboy]

Final only effects a handful of people being on Monday.  Recs can now play both day 1 and 2 on the weekend without affecting work plans.  Looks sensible to me but it will always give the impression of having to take monday off work to the recs (stupid because they have to take thurs or fri off to 100% play a day 1).  Recs don't always think logically though.  Surely any rec will realise they will have to take one day off work if they final a 3 day event so surely it's better for that day to be the final as they are 100/1+ to make the final.

[Rexas]

Final only effects a handful of people being on Monday.  Recs can now play both day 1 and 2 on the weekend without affecting work plans.  Looks sensible to me but it will always give the impression of having to take monday off work to the recs (stupid because they have to take thurs or fri off to 100% play a day 1).  Recs don't always think logically though.  Surely any rec will realise they will have to take one day off work if they final a 3 day event so surely it's better for that day to be the final as they are 100/1+ to make the final.

Surely it's better to take a day off work when you know you'll be playing, rather than take a day off work when you aren't sure you will be?

[arbboy]

Final only effects a handful of people being on Monday.  Recs can now play both day 1 and 2 on the weekend without affecting work plans.  Looks sensible to me but it will always give the impression of having to take monday off work to the recs (stupid because they have to take thurs or fri off to 100% play a day 1).  Recs don't always think logically though.  Surely any rec will realise they will have to take one day off work if they final a 3 day event so surely it's better for that day to be the final as they are 100/1+ to make the final.

Surely it's better to take a day off work when you know you'll be playing, rather than take a day off work when you aren't sure you will be?

Correct but you are 100/1+ to need to waste a day's holiday if the final is on Monday. You can play 99% of these comps without wasting any holidays if the final is on Monday. That's my point.  Assuming you can just phone up work on Monday morning and take the day off.  Big assumption i know.  You will only be in this spot once every twenty years on average and will have at least £5k in cash to ease the problem.

Saying all that i would prefer the comp to finish on a Sunday personally.  Holidays make no difference to me so if recs think it is easier for them with a Sunday finish then we pander to their needs.

[horseplayer]

Not many jobs work like that any more

Just ringing the boss up late Sunday to say you need the Monday of is not a reality in 95% of jobs

[EvilPie]

If it means a reasonably timed finish on Sunday then I'd always prefer the Monday final option.

If we're still finishing at stupid o'clock on Sunday just to squeeze in more levels then I'd rather them change the structure.

If Sunday's going to finish some time up to about 6am depending on how well you do then you have to book Monday off anyway.

Finish 10pm Sunday, restart 2pm Monday to a finish approximately 8 hours later is much better than playing through to a finish up to 6am Sunday.

The issue is the unknown at such a stupid time of night which effectively ruins your next day anyway. Not knowing if you'll finish at 2pm or 10pm is so much better than not knowing if you'll finish at 10pm or 6am.

[arbboy]

Not many jobs work like that any more

Just ringing the boss up late Sunday to say you need the Monday of is not a reality in 95% of jobs

Pulling a sickie once in twenty years on a day you might win £60k isn't the biggest crime in the world in order to avoid using half your holiday allowances every year to play day 1's of these comps. 

[EvilPie]

Not many jobs work like that any more

Just ringing the boss up late Sunday to say you need the Monday of is not a reality in 95% of jobs

Pulling a sickie once in twenty years on a day you might win £60k isn't the biggest crime in the world in order to avoid using half your holiday allowances every year to play day 1's of these comps. 

Gross misconduct isn't any kind of crime never mind being one of the biggest.

It might well cost you your livelihood though.

[AlunB]

Got an interesting (?)  question for you to step on.

Traditionally, Live Festival Main Events (assume a 4 day event with a guarantee of around £1 million) finish on a Sunday, with Days A & B on Thursday & Friday.

UKIPT now make 1a & 1b Friday & Saturday, with Day 2 Sunday, & the Final on Monday.

Is this better - for most - than the traditional Sunday finish?

Assuming a 1,000 runner field, 1% - 10 players - would need to return on Monday, & if that included recreationals, the chance of a 6 figure payday must surely be worth a day off work? Pros would not be too fussed either way, presumably?

At the front end of the Event, Days A & B move from Thurs/Fri, to Fri/Sat, so it is one day less off work, or even no days off at all.

Pros & cons, & why, yes please.   

Very nice, son. You're dirty.

[Rexas]

Honestly, I think these comments are a long way removed from the real world Arbboy. In my experience (which admittedly is only two jobs in the private sector) that's not how jobs work, and I think there is little reason to put people in that position when the final day could just be shifted to Sunday and not be a problem.

[AlunB]

I think most people would struggle to get a duvet day for the Monday so you're either a) pulling a sickie or b) relying on your boss being a decent bloke and realising this is a once in a lifetime sort of thing

Most places I've worked I'd say the boss would normally be OK with b). Obviously as a rec you shouldn't play if you know you have unbreakable commitments on the Monday or it would massively leave people in the lurch.