Would you trust a jury with your life?

[RED-DOG]

Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness.

Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted.  Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal.  I would be in balls deep for a millball.

I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment.  I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble.

So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it?

Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course.  I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead.  Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release.

But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine?

Would a million make your life 100 times better?

I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m.  I don't expect most people would agree with me.  I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out.  I would 1000% rather die.

So would a million make your life 100 times better?

Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better.  I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court

You not answering the question at the top then?

Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are.


Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million.

[arbboy]

Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness.

Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted.  Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal.  I would be in balls deep for a millball.

I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment.  I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble.

So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it?

Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course.  I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead.  Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release.

But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine?

Would a million make your life 100 times better?

I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m.  I don't expect most people would agree with me.  I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out.  I would 1000% rather die.

So would a million make your life 100 times better?

Yes it would tbh given the tiny chance of me facing the death penalty.  With my 100% clean record/dna records and a potential appeal  i would be amazed if i wasn't 1000/1 to be convicted.  It is the risk/reward ratio which appeals to me not the £1m alone.  It is how unlikely i am to suffer anything because of taking the gamble that i probably would tbh.

[arbboy]

Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness.

Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted.  Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal.  I would be in balls deep for a millball.

I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment.  I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble.

So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it?

Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course.  I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead.  Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release.

But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine?

Would a million make your life 100 times better?

I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m.  I don't expect most people would agree with me.  I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out.  I would 1000% rather die.

So would a million make your life 100 times better?

Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better.  I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court

You not answering the question at the top then?

Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are.


Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million.

I think you are being irrational here.  You are pretty much saying if i will play the lottery with you personally on Saturday (the old lottery lets assume with 49 balls where you were a 14million to one shot to win it).  You will take my bet if my 6 numbers come out u go to prison for life or die.  If they don't you get £1m.  I can't imagine any semi sensible person not being willing to take that gamble.

I dont expect people to admit it in public but if they were offered it privately with no one knowing i would be amazed virtually anyone alive who is worth less than £250k would do it in a heart beat.

[RED-DOG]

Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness.

Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted.  Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal.  I would be in balls deep for a millball.

I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment.  I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble.

So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it?

Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course.  I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead.  Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release.

But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine?

Would a million make your life 100 times better?

I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m.  I don't expect most people would agree with me.  I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out.  I would 1000% rather die.

So would a million make your life 100 times better?

Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better.  I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court

You not answering the question at the top then?

Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are.


Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million.

I think you are being irrational here.  You are pretty much saying if i will play the lottery with you personally on Saturday (the old lottery lets assume with 49 balls where you were a 14million to one shot to win it).  You will take my bet if my 6 numbers come out u go to prison for life or die.  If they don't you get £1m.  I can't imagine any semi sensible person not being willing to take that gamble.

I dont expect people to admit it in public but if they were offered it privately with no one knowing i would be amazed virtually anyone alive who is worth less than £250k would do it in a heart beat.

I can't imagine what public / private has to do with it.

My statement, and I stand by it, was that I wouldn't gamble with my life if there was a 1 in 100 chance of losing

[arbboy]

Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness.

Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted.  Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal.  I would be in balls deep for a millball.

I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment.  I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble.

So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it?

Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course.  I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead.  Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release.

But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine?

Would a million make your life 100 times better?

I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m.  I don't expect most people would agree with me.  I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out.  I would 1000% rather die.

So would a million make your life 100 times better?

Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better.  I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court

You not answering the question at the top then?

Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are.


Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million.

I think you are being irrational here.  You are pretty much saying if i will play the lottery with you personally on Saturday (the old lottery lets assume with 49 balls where you were a 14million to one shot to win it).  You will take my bet if my 6 numbers come out u go to prison for life or die.  If they don't you get £1m.  I can't imagine any semi sensible person not being willing to take that gamble.

I dont expect people to admit it in public but if they were offered it privately with no one knowing i would be amazed virtually anyone alive who is worth less than £250k would do it in a heart beat.

I can't imagine what public / private has to do with it.

My statement, and I stand by it, was that I wouldn't gamble with my life if there was a 1 in 100 chance of losing

You also said you wouldn't do it if there was a 1 in 10 million chance of it happening for £1m.  Public/private would make a difference to a lot of people.  They publicly would never want to be seen to admit they would do this.  Privately they probably would because they know how unlikely it would be that they would have to die and they would just hoover £1m with no hassle.

[arbboy]

Sorry tom i have mis read your statement.  You said you wouldn't do it for £10m not a 1 in 10 million chance of dying.  Sorry.  I totally understand that at 100/1 shot for someone like yourself with a big family.  I think i would still pull the trigger and gamble personally.  Each to their own.

[RED-DOG]

Sorry tom i have mis read your statement.  You said you wouldn't do it for £10m not a 1 in 10 million chance of dying.  Sorry.  I totally understand that at 100/1 shot for someone like yourself with a big family.  I think i would still pull the trigger and gamble personally.  Each to their own.

No problem. On with the argument...

[BiloxiDesire]

Isn't a big part that's missing here that there needs to be at least some evidence to point towards it being you in order for it to be taken to trial?

[RED-DOG]

Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness.

Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted.  Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal.  I would be in balls deep for a millball.

I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment.  I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble.

So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it?

Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course.  I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead.  Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release.

But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine?

Would a million make your life 100 times better?

I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m.  I don't expect most people would agree with me.  I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out.  I would 1000% rather die.

So would a million make your life 100 times better?

Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better.  I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court

You not answering the question at the top then?

Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are.


Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million.

I think you are being irrational here.  You are pretty much saying if i will play the lottery with you personally on Saturday (the old lottery lets assume with 49 balls where you were a 14million to one shot to win it).  You will take my bet if my 6 numbers come out u go to prison for life or die.  If they don't you get £1m.  I can't imagine any semi sensible person not being willing to take that gamble.

I dont expect people to admit it in public but if they were offered it privately with no one knowing i would be amazed virtually anyone alive who is worth less than £250k would do it in a heart beat.

I can't imagine what public / private has to do with it.

My statement, and I stand by it, was that I wouldn't gamble with my life if there was a 1 in 100 chance of losing

Public/private would make a difference to a lot of people.  They publicly would never want to be seen to admit they would do this.  Privately they probably would because they know how unlikely it would be that they would have to die and they would just hoover £1m with no hassle.

How could you possibly know that?

I could just as easily say (and I think it more likely)  that the exact opposite is true. I think that most of those who say they would in public would chicken out in private, especially if they were strapped into an electric chair and the die was about to be cast.

[arbboy]

Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness.

Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted.  Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal.  I would be in balls deep for a millball.

I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment.  I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble.

So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it?

Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course.  I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead.  Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release.

But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine?

Would a million make your life 100 times better?

I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m.  I don't expect most people would agree with me.  I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out.  I would 1000% rather die.

So would a million make your life 100 times better?

Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better.  I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court

You not answering the question at the top then?

Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are.


Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million.

I think you are being irrational here.  You are pretty much saying if i will play the lottery with you personally on Saturday (the old lottery lets assume with 49 balls where you were a 14million to one shot to win it).  You will take my bet if my 6 numbers come out u go to prison for life or die.  If they don't you get £1m.  I can't imagine any semi sensible person not being willing to take that gamble.

I dont expect people to admit it in public but if they were offered it privately with no one knowing i would be amazed virtually anyone alive who is worth less than £250k would do it in a heart beat.

I can't imagine what public / private has to do with it.

My statement, and I stand by it, was that I wouldn't gamble with my life if there was a 1 in 100 chance of losing

Public/private would make a difference to a lot of people.  They publicly would never want to be seen to admit they would do this.  Privately they probably would because they know how unlikely it would be that they would have to die and they would just hoover £1m with no hassle.

How could you possibly know that?

I could just as easily say (and I think it more likely)  that the exact opposite is true. I think that most of those who say they would in public would chicken out in private, especially if they were strapped into an electric chair and the die was about to be cast.

I totally agree with you on the opposite end as well.  I just looked at it from one angle and not the other.  A lot of people up to their eyeballs in debt would probably do it my way.  Deny doing it in public so their family doesn't hate them but still go ahead and do it in private and take the gamble.

[RED-DOG]

You're no fun. Too much agreeing.

[Doobs]

Therre is no UK death penalty so I am assuming that doesn't apply.  But even if it was a death penalty every smoker should be signing up for this.  They have a way higher chance of killing themselves for very little gain in their lives. Heavy drinkers, people with risky jobs the same.  I know the train is much safer, but frequently drive for that little bit of enjoyment I get from it.

A million is enough to make a big difference.  No more working away, so I see the kids etc.  I could just change schools if we had issues.  Could holiday when and where I liked. The upside is not close to balancing out the downside of it was 50/50, but it clearly isn't.  

[EvilPie]

Easiest million you'll ever make.

If you didn't do it you just have to use the Shaggy defence "It wasn't me" and you'd be fine.

It's the prosecutions job to prove you've done it and if you didn't then they really haven't got a chance.

I understand that some innocent people get convicted but they aren't exactly picked out at random. There's obviously a very good reason for putting them in the dock and that's why the jury gets it wrong.

Actual odds against this going wrong are way over 100/1 so I'd definitely give it a go.

[arbboy]

You're no fun. Too much agreeing.

You love a ruck and i should be your perfect customer.  Sorry to not play along today.  I am happy and winning too much and sober.  Try again another day!

[arbboy]

Therre is no UK death penalty so I am assuming that doesn't apply.  But even if it was a death penalty every smoker should be signing up for this.  They have a way higher chance of killing themselves for very little gain in their lives. Heavy drinkers, people with risky jobs the same.  I know the train is much safer, but frequently drive for that little bit of enjoyment I get from it.

A million is enough to make a big difference.  No more working away, so I see the kids etc.  I could just change schools if we had issues.  Could holiday when and where I liked. The upside is not close to balancing out the downside of it was 50/50, but it clearly isn't.  

Difference being though drinkers/smokers get to live their lifes until they die earlier.  Under this situation you are going to die instantly (ie in the next year) and not get to live your life.  The two things are not really comparable.