Nothing is sacred.

[tikay]

Great story Arb.  Wish bookies had brains these days and actually played the market.

Isn't that what bookmaking is about?  Being sharper than your rivals and not just living of degen mugs and addicts and not taking any other business?

Yup, but I don't think it's about facilitating match fixing, either. 

[arbboy]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing is the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo. 

They are scared of losing vital revenue streams though and do everything possible to brush it under the carpet.

[tikay]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing it the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo.

Maybe so.

But don't you agree that the Bookies should tell them? And if they ignore it, fine, go to the police.

These are not trading decisions, these are criminal activities.  The Bookies, in law, don't have the luxury of choice. By implication, they are accessories.

Deffo not having a go at you, but this seems so obvious to me.

[tikay]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing is the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo. 

They are scared of losing vital revenue streams though and do everything possible to brush it under the carpet.

Understand that, same applies to the bookies, they stand to make a few bob extra by keeping schtum. But when it comes to breaking the law, I would hope thats a different matter.

 

[arbboy]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing it the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo.

Maybe so.

But don't you agree that the Bookies should tell them? And if they ignore it, fine, go to the police.

These are not trading decisions, these are criminal activities.  The Bookies, in law, don't have the luxury of choice. By implication, they are accessories.

Deffo not having a go at you, but this seems so obvious to me.

No.  The bookmakers should inform the respective sporting bodies for any sport.  If the ATP/WTA keep refusing to take the issue seriously why should bookmakers keep wasting their time/resources providing them with highly sensitive info for free when they clearly have no intention of ever doing anything about it?

I appreciate you are not having a pop at me (unlike yesterday!)

[arbboy]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing is the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo.  

They are scared of losing vital revenue streams though and do everything possible to brush it under the carpet.

Understand that, same applies to the bookies, they stand to make a few bob extra by keeping schtum. But when it comes to breaking the law, I would hope thats a different matter.

 

The vast majority of bookies LOSE money on these games so they would be more than happy for every game to be straight which is why they provide the info the ATP/WTA to do something about it (both in their short term interest and the bigger longer term picture of the sport being straight so punters trust it when they have a bet).  They cannot force these bodies to enforce bans etc if their business model is to protect the image of their sport short term/sponsorship revenues etc.  What do you think bookies should do when the ATP/WTA don't want to do anything about it?

[DungBeetle]

It is a trading decision though.  Whether the guy on the phone is for real or a deluded nut is a trading decision in itself?  After all someone bribed Herschelle Gibbs to score low and he ignored it mid match because it was coming off the bat nicely!

Doesn't seem cricket to shop the tennis villain after the event.  Presumably ATP have access to all betting activity if required so they should be monitoring the integrity of their own sport imo.

  

[tikay]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing is the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo. 

They are scared of losing vital revenue streams though and do everything possible to brush it under the carpet.

Understand that, same applies to the bookies, they stand to make a few bob extra by keeping schtum. But when it comes to breaking the law, I would hope thats a different matter.

 

The vast majority of bookies LOSE money on these games so they would be more than happy for every game to be straight which is why they provide the info the ATP/WTA to do something about it.  They cannot force these bodies to enforce bans etc if their business model is to protect the image of their sport short term/sponsorship revenues etc.  What do you think bookies should do when the ATP/WTA don't want to do anything about it?

They should go to the Police, simple.

Forget pointing fingers at the Sport Governing body & saying "not me Guv", the bookies have a responsibility, too.

[tikay]

It is a trading decision though.  Whether the guy on the phone is for real or a deluded nut is a trading decision in itself?  After all someone bribed Herschelle Gibbs to score low and he ignored it mid match because it was coming off the bat nicely!

Doesn't seem cricket to shop the tennis villain after the event.  Presumably ATP have access to all betting activity if required so they should be monitoring the integrity of their own sport imo.

  

Prior would be better.......

[arbboy]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing is the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo. 

They are scared of losing vital revenue streams though and do everything possible to brush it under the carpet.

Understand that, same applies to the bookies, they stand to make a few bob extra by keeping schtum. But when it comes to breaking the law, I would hope thats a different matter.

 

The vast majority of bookies LOSE money on these games so they would be more than happy for every game to be straight which is why they provide the info the ATP/WTA to do something about it.  They cannot force these bodies to enforce bans etc if their business model is to protect the image of their sport short term/sponsorship revenues etc.  What do you think bookies should do when the ATP/WTA don't want to do anything about it?

They should go to the Police, simple.

Forget pointing fingers at the Sport Governing body & saying "not me Guv", the bookies have a responsibility, too.

Are you being results orientated when going to the Police or reporting 'bent games' which go wrong as well like the greek football game last week?  The police hotline would be constantly engaged if this was the case.

[tikay]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing it the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo.

Maybe so.

But don't you agree that the Bookies should tell them? And if they ignore it, fine, go to the police.

These are not trading decisions, these are criminal activities.  The Bookies, in law, don't have the luxury of choice. By implication, they are accessories.

Deffo not having a go at you, but this seems so obvious to me.

No.  The bookmakers should inform the respective sporting bodies for any sport.  If the ATP/WTA keep refusing to take the issue seriously why should bookmakers keep wasting their time/resources providing them with highly sensitive info for free when they clearly have no intention of ever doing anything about it?

I appreciate you are not having a pop at me (unlike yesterday!)

Ha, it was such a tap in, I could not resist. And you are thick skinned, you dish it out, so I know you don't mind getting a bit back.

Good effort by Stoke yesterday, incidentally. If only they had not lost to WBA when they were down to 9 men in the first half. Come on, you gotta be impressed how I knew that, right? 

[tikay]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing is the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo. 

They are scared of losing vital revenue streams though and do everything possible to brush it under the carpet.

Understand that, same applies to the bookies, they stand to make a few bob extra by keeping schtum. But when it comes to breaking the law, I would hope thats a different matter.

 

The vast majority of bookies LOSE money on these games so they would be more than happy for every game to be straight which is why they provide the info the ATP/WTA to do something about it.  They cannot force these bodies to enforce bans etc if their business model is to protect the image of their sport short term/sponsorship revenues etc.  What do you think bookies should do when the ATP/WTA don't want to do anything about it?

They should go to the Police, simple.

Forget pointing fingers at the Sport Governing body & saying "not me Guv", the bookies have a responsibility, too.

Are you being results orientated when going to the Police or reporting 'bent games' which go wrong as well like the greek football game last week?  The police hotline would be constantly engaged if this was the case.

No, do it in advance.

Police Hotline constantly engaged? That's their problem, not the bookies.

If firms know a game is going to be fixed, they should not sit on their hands, imo.

[arbboy]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing is the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo. 

They are scared of losing vital revenue streams though and do everything possible to brush it under the carpet.

Understand that, same applies to the bookies, they stand to make a few bob extra by keeping schtum. But when it comes to breaking the law, I would hope thats a different matter.

 

The vast majority of bookies LOSE money on these games so they would be more than happy for every game to be straight which is why they provide the info the ATP/WTA to do something about it.  They cannot force these bodies to enforce bans etc if their business model is to protect the image of their sport short term/sponsorship revenues etc.  What do you think bookies should do when the ATP/WTA don't want to do anything about it?

They should go to the Police, simple.

Forget pointing fingers at the Sport Governing body & saying "not me Guv", the bookies have a responsibility, too.

Are you being results orientated when going to the Police or reporting 'bent games' which go wrong as well like the greek football game last week?  The police hotline would be constantly engaged if this was the case.

No, do it in advance.

Police Hotline constantly engaged? That's their problem, not the bookies.

If firms know a game is going to be fixed, they should not sit on their hands, imo.

Why not when they can use that sensitive information to make money out of it.  Bookies are not in business to police sport.  The governing bodies are.  Bookies do more than enough on their behalf already providing information to levels that was never providing in the past pre betfair when there was no obvious audit trail to follow.

[tikay]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing is the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo. 

They are scared of losing vital revenue streams though and do everything possible to brush it under the carpet.

Understand that, same applies to the bookies, they stand to make a few bob extra by keeping schtum. But when it comes to breaking the law, I would hope thats a different matter.

 

The vast majority of bookies LOSE money on these games so they would be more than happy for every game to be straight which is why they provide the info the ATP/WTA to do something about it.  They cannot force these bodies to enforce bans etc if their business model is to protect the image of their sport short term/sponsorship revenues etc.  What do you think bookies should do when the ATP/WTA don't want to do anything about it?

They should go to the Police, simple.

Forget pointing fingers at the Sport Governing body & saying "not me Guv", the bookies have a responsibility, too.

Are you being results orientated when going to the Police or reporting 'bent games' which go wrong as well like the greek football game last week?  The police hotline would be constantly engaged if this was the case.

No, do it in advance.

Police Hotline constantly engaged? That's their problem, not the bookies.

If firms know a game is going to be fixed, they should not sit on their hands, imo.

Why not when they can use that sensitive information to make money out of it.  Bookies are not in business to police sport.  The governing bodies are.  Bookies do more than enough on their behalf already providing information to levels that was never providing in the past pre betfair when there was no obvious audit trail to follow.

...because, or so it seems to me, it is illegal NOT to inform the legal authorities. They can't turn a blind eye to this stuff.

Meanwhile, most of us abhor match fixing, don't we? Do we really think bookies can be hear nowt, see nowt, say nowt?

[arbboy]

The only people who have to answer to the match fixing is the ATP and WTA.  It is their house.  They know it is going on and doing nothing about it other than paying lip service to the issue and sweeping it under the carpet imo.  They have to get their own house in order when there is clear evidence presented to them and they choose to do nothing about it imo.  

They are scared of losing vital revenue streams though and do everything possible to brush it under the carpet.

Understand that, same applies to the bookies, they stand to make a few bob extra by keeping schtum. But when it comes to breaking the law, I would hope thats a different matter.

 

The vast majority of bookies LOSE money on these games so they would be more than happy for every game to be straight which is why they provide the info the ATP/WTA to do something about it.  They cannot force these bodies to enforce bans etc if their business model is to protect the image of their sport short term/sponsorship revenues etc.  What do you think bookies should do when the ATP/WTA don't want to do anything about it?

They should go to the Police, simple.

Forget pointing fingers at the Sport Governing body & saying "not me Guv", the bookies have a responsibility, too.

Are you being results orientated when going to the Police or reporting 'bent games' which go wrong as well like the greek football game last week?  The police hotline would be constantly engaged if this was the case.

No, do it in advance.

Police Hotline constantly engaged? That's their problem, not the bookies.

If firms know a game is going to be fixed, they should not sit on their hands, imo.

Why not when they can use that sensitive information to make money out of it.  Bookies are not in business to police sport.  The governing bodies are.  Bookies do more than enough on their behalf already providing information to levels that was never providing in the past pre betfair when there was no obvious audit trail to follow.

...because, or so it seems to me, it is illegal NOT to inform the legal authorities. They can't turn a blind eye to this stuff.

Meanwhile, most of us abhor match fixing, don't we? Do we really think bookies can be hear nowt, see nowt, say nowt?

So bet654.com ring the Police.  What do the police do with this information?  Go to the ATP.  They don't want it uncovered for their rep.  They will deny the match is fixed.  The police can't prove it is.  What, in reality, will actually happen?

A member of the public could easily ring the police up watching crazy betting patterns on betfair (which anyone in the world can see) every week on dodgy greek football matches.  You don't need to be a bookmaker in 2016 to see these patterns in a lot of cases.  The bodies need to employ betting experts to watch markets.  If they don't want to make a scene for commerical reasons though there is no point