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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2016, 02:24:43 AM »

Is there any reason Russian athletes would be more susceptible to angina than the general population? 

I suspect that one issue might be that they are not more susceptible to angina (and several other conditions for which the drug might be reasonably prescribed) but that this particular drug is not approved in the USA and the EU for general use but is widely used in Eastern Europe. It was developed in Latvia. I would think that there are equivalent drugs used elsewhere that have the same properties but which are not, yet, on the WADA prohibited list.

If Sharapova has been taking since she was 18, I doubt that she would have been personally responsible for a decision to start taking it. She would presumably have been a little ahead of the curve to have planned its usage for performance enhancement that long ago (although there appear to be papers noting its benefits for performance enhancement from 2002).

Meldonium was on the WADA monitoring list throughout 2015 and its usage by a significant number of athletes was noted. Sharapova must have been tested during that period (quite possibly as much as ten times being a top player). One wonders why she wouldn't have been made aware of this if it was the case.
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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2016, 08:02:19 AM »

Laura Robson continues to struggle with her wrist and there are no signs of things turning around.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/26/laura-robson-pulls-out-of-mexico-tournament-wrist

She is nominally on the list of entries for Indian Wells this week but I don't think that she is playing.


She is responsible for my biggest ever odds win on a single match when she beat Kim Clijsters in the US Open at about 9/1 so I'm particularly fond of her.
Hopefully she will make Nottingham this year.


Correction: She is in the draw for the first round. I assume that she must have had a wildcard as her protected ranking must have expired by now.
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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2016, 10:18:08 AM »

What is meldonium, what does it do, & why was it added to WADA list? This article is good

https://jakegshelley.wordpress.com/2016/03/03/what-is-melodoniummildronate/
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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2016, 10:21:21 AM »

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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2016, 11:54:01 AM »

Hence my earlier question. It seems quite clear that Melodium has been used to enhance performance by Russian athletes, presumably for a number of years. It seems likely that Sharapova is one of those given her reasoning for being on Melodium is less than convincing. Now not being an elite athlete I'm not sure how exactly they are made aware when substances are added to the banned list but I'm guessing they don't just add it without telling anyone.
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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2016, 12:18:52 PM »

Hence my earlier question. It seems quite clear that Melodium has been used to enhance performance by Russian athletes, presumably for a number of years. It seems likely that Sharapova is one of those given her reasoning for being on Melodium is less than convincing. Now not being an elite athlete I'm not sure how exactly they are made aware when substances are added to the banned list but I'm guessing they don't just add it without telling anyone.

As I see it, it is perfectly ok to use performance enhancing "substances" so long as they are legal.  So up until December, she was doing nothing wrong.   All kinds of foods/supllements are going to improve your bulk/performance/endurance, whilst WADA views them as legal.  I don't know enough to be sure where the line should be drawn.


http://roidvisor.com/performance-enhancing-drugs-used-by-elite-athletes-that-are-surprisingly-legal/


Recently. I have done lots of work that has relied on my up to date technical knowledge, and you subscribe to update servies etc, but simply sometimes you just miss something important.  You think title x refers to thing A you already knew about, but sometimes it is referring to thing B. 

Of course Melodium is all over the internet today but wasn't going to be as prominent a few months ago.

And she may well be the Russian exception that proves the rule, and is the one with the genuine heart issue.
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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2016, 01:33:37 PM »

I simply can't believe she decided to ignore and not read properly the email from WADA with the updated drugs list in, she must have seen it.  It must be one of the top few things that every professional sports person has to look out for each year.  At the very least someone in her team should have seen or heard about it, she must mix with other people that would have received it.
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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2016, 02:14:18 PM »

"Sportswear company Nike said it was ending its association with Sharapova until investigations are complete.
Watch manufacturer Tag Heuer have already said it does not plan to extend its contract with the 2004 Wimbledon champion.
Porsche have also postponed planned activities with the player."
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2016, 02:21:04 PM »

Its ridiculous suggesting she has a family doctor, she is a mulitmillion pound business but she still has a family doctor, not to mention a family doctor from the old country who prescribes unlicensed medication in her residence of 20 years. So lets give her that her family doctor is based in russia 10 years after she left, she surely has a medical team around her but neither her nor them ever take a simple look at her medication and put two and two together. Family is added as a manipulation of the mind of the reader.

Melodium is not prescribed for what she suggested she was taking it for, its serious medication for serious heart problems, incompatible with professional athletes (these heart problems wouldnt be compatible with professional sport). Her excuse doesnt add up to a doctor prescribing Melodium, which is why she has chucked in diabetes. While it has had some decent results in diabetic patients its unlikely you would prescribe a drug not for its purpose. Its the equivalent of you telling a bird you took viagra for heartburn. She seems to have thrown a bunch of conditions that loosely match the criteria for being prescribed it but very doubtfully make the threshold. Interesting other athletes caught have refused to admit they have took anything with the drug in. Suggests they knew it was too serious a medication for them to be taking.

Taking a drug to improve performance is cheating whether its on WADAs list or not. Taking a medication outside its purpose is surely cheating. WADA are finally catching up to the athletes.

Interesting whether serena williams would have got similar public willingness to believe.
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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2016, 02:46:43 PM »

Its ridiculous suggesting she has a family doctor, she is a mulitmillion pound business but she still has a family doctor, not to mention a family doctor from the old country who prescribes unlicensed medication in her residence of 20 years. So lets give her that her family doctor is based in russia 10 years after she left, she surely has a medical team around her but neither her nor them ever take a simple look at her medication and put two and two together. Family is added as a manipulation of the mind of the reader.

Melodium is not prescribed for what she suggested she was taking it for, its serious medication for serious heart problems, incompatible with professional athletes (these heart problems wouldnt be compatible with professional sport). Her excuse doesnt add up to a doctor prescribing Melodium, which is why she has chucked in diabetes. While it has had some decent results in diabetic patients its unlikely you would prescribe a drug not for its purpose. Its the equivalent of you telling a bird you took viagra for heartburn. She seems to have thrown a bunch of conditions that loosely match the criteria for being prescribed it but very doubtfully make the threshold. Interesting other athletes caught have refused to admit they have took anything with the drug in. Suggests they knew it was too serious a medication for them to be taking.

Taking a drug to improve performance is cheating whether its on WADAs list or not. Taking a medication outside its purpose is surely cheating. WADA are finally catching up to the athletes.

Interesting whether serena williams would have got similar public willingness to believe.

There is a big gap between people taking a pause and giving her chance to speak and 100% believing what she says.  I would also add that doctors can, and do, prescribe drugs for a different purpose from that which they have approval.

Why bring Serena Williams in to this?
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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2016, 03:14:38 PM »

Its ridiculous suggesting she has a family doctor, she is a mulitmillion pound business but she still has a family doctor, not to mention a family doctor from the old country who prescribes unlicensed medication in her residence of 20 years. So lets give her that her family doctor is based in russia 10 years after she left, she surely has a medical team around her but neither her nor them ever take a simple look at her medication and put two and two together. Family is added as a manipulation of the mind of the reader.

Melodium is not prescribed for what she suggested she was taking it for, its serious medication for serious heart problems, incompatible with professional athletes (these heart problems wouldnt be compatible with professional sport). Her excuse doesnt add up to a doctor prescribing Melodium, which is why she has chucked in diabetes. While it has had some decent results in diabetic patients its unlikely you would prescribe a drug not for its purpose. Its the equivalent of you telling a bird you took viagra for heartburn. She seems to have thrown a bunch of conditions that loosely match the criteria for being prescribed it but very doubtfully make the threshold. Interesting other athletes caught have refused to admit they have took anything with the drug in. Suggests they knew it was too serious a medication for them to be taking.

Taking a drug to improve performance is cheating whether its on WADAs list or not. Taking a medication outside its purpose is surely cheating. WADA are finally catching up to the athletes.

Interesting whether serena williams would have got similar public willingness to believe.

There is a big gap between people taking a pause and giving her chance to speak and 100% believing what she says.  I would also add that doctors can, and do, prescribe drugs for a different purpose from that which they have approval.

Why bring Serena Williams in to this?

She didnt have it, she claims to have a family history, that wouldnt explain why you are taking it. There doesnt seem to be trials for its use on diabetes before she claims to have started taking it anyway. I wouldnt take insulin because my dad has diabetes. That a professional athlete would have a doctor who played pharmacy roulette isnt very realistic.
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« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2016, 07:31:29 PM »

Meldonium also boosts the sexual prowess of boars apparently.

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« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2016, 07:40:11 PM »





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« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2016, 07:49:40 PM »

Meldonium also boosts the sexual prowess of boars apparently.

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« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2016, 09:49:29 PM »

Meldonium also boosts the sexual prowess of boars apparently.

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