Brussels airport bombing

[RED-DOG]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503928/Two-explosions-heard-Brussels-Airport.html


Muslim terrorist killing more innocent people yet again 😔

We have to remember that they are killing people because they are terrorists, not because they are Muslims.

[AndrewT]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503928/Two-explosions-heard-Brussels-Airport.html


Muslim terrorist killing more innocent people yet again 😔

We have to remember that they are killing people because they are terrorists, not because they are Muslims.

That's not strictly true with ISIS-inspired terrorists, as ISIS are an organisation explictly acting in the name of Islam, so these guys being Muslim is part of the reason that they carry out the attacks, it's not just a coincidence.

[DungBeetle]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503928/Two-explosions-heard-Brussels-Airport.html


Muslim terrorist killing more innocent people yet again 😔

We have to remember that they are killing people because they are terrorists, not because they are Muslims.

Whilst I agree it is important not to tar people with a broad brush, I don't think you can just ignore the Islam connection.  Whatever bonkers fringe strand of the religion they are devoted to it is clearly a problem and we can't bury our head in the sand?

[Jon MW]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503928/Two-explosions-heard-Brussels-Airport.html


Muslim terrorist killing more innocent people yet again 😔

We have to remember that they are killing people because they are terrorists, not because they are Muslims.

That's not strictly true with ISIS-inspired terrorists, as ISIS are an organisation explictly acting in the name of Islam, so these guys being Muslim is part of the reason that they carry out the attacks, it's not just a coincidence.

A more correct construction then might be

We have to remember that they are killing people because they are muslim terrorists, not because they are Muslims.

It's a bit clunky - but the point still stays roughly the same

[DungBeetle]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503928/Two-explosions-heard-Brussels-Airport.html


Muslim terrorist killing more innocent people yet again 😔

We have to remember that they are killing people because they are terrorists, not because they are Muslims.

They've only carried out these attacks because they are muslim.

True but the point is they are a minority subset of a large religion.

[DaveShoelace]

The problem is how readily so many people conflate an idea (Islam) with the people who believe it (Muslims). We should be able to critique an idea without alienating the people who subscribe to it. Unfortunately you get racists on one end assuming all muslims are terrorists, and you get apologists on the other trying to censor people from debating this topic by falsely labelling critical voices as racists. We must be able to have honest discussions about where these bad ideas are coming from, how can we win this 'war on terror' if cant even discuss it without walking on eggshells?

This quote sums it up better than I could by Muslim reformist Maajid Nawaz - "No idea is above scrutiny, no people are beneath dignity".

[Woodsey]

The problem is how readily so many people conflate an idea (Islam) with the people who believe it (Muslims). We should be able to critique an idea without alienating the people who subscribe to it. Unfortunately you get racists on one end assuming all muslims are terrorists, and you get apologists on the other trying to censor people from debating this topic by falsely labelling critical voices as racists. We must be able to have honest discussions about where these bad ideas are coming from, how can we win this 'war on terror' if cant even discuss it without walking on eggshells?

This quote sums it up better than I could by Muslim reformist Maajid Nawaz - "No idea is above scrutiny, no people are beneath dignity".

Spot on mate 

[Doobs]

The problem is how readily so many people conflate an idea (Islam) with the people who believe it (Muslims). We should be able to critique an idea without alienating the people who subscribe to it. Unfortunately you get racists on one end assuming all muslims are terrorists, and you get apologists on the other trying to censor people from debating this topic by falsely labelling critical voices as racists. We must be able to have honest discussions about where these bad ideas are coming from, how can we win this 'war on terror' if cant even discuss it without walking on eggshells?

This quote sums it up better than I could by Muslim reformist Maajid Nawaz - "No idea is above scrutiny, no people are beneath dignity".

Spot on mate 

So do we view these actions as Islamic or Un-Islamic?  I am sure the majority of Muslims view them as the latter.  I think it is important this is recognised.  If their actions are Un-Islamic then are we using the right label when we call them Muslim terrorists?   

[DaveShoelace]

The problem is how readily so many people conflate an idea (Islam) with the people who believe it (Muslims). We should be able to critique an idea without alienating the people who subscribe to it. Unfortunately you get racists on one end assuming all muslims are terrorists, and you get apologists on the other trying to censor people from debating this topic by falsely labelling critical voices as racists. We must be able to have honest discussions about where these bad ideas are coming from, how can we win this 'war on terror' if cant even discuss it without walking on eggshells?

This quote sums it up better than I could by Muslim reformist Maajid Nawaz - "No idea is above scrutiny, no people are beneath dignity".

Spot on mate  

So do we view these actions as Islamic or Un-Islamic?  I am sure the majority of Muslims view them as the latter.  I think it is important this is recognised.  If their actions are Un-Islamic then are we using the right label when we call them Muslim terrorists?    

Martyrdom is a tenet of Islam so looking at it from a literal interpretation, yes these actions are Islamic. However, very few people from any religion literally follow it to the word, the same goes for Hindus, Christians, Jews etc etc. I personally wouldn't call them muslim terrorists for that reason. I'd call them Islamist terrorists or Jihadists. Islamist (not to be confused with Islamic) being the people who want to spread Islam politically, Jihadist being those that do it in a violent way.

[muckthenuts]

The problem is how readily so many people conflate an idea (Islam) with the people who believe it (Muslims). We should be able to critique an idea without alienating the people who subscribe to it. Unfortunately you get racists on one end assuming all muslims are terrorists, and you get apologists on the other trying to censor people from debating this topic by falsely labelling critical voices as racists. We must be able to have honest discussions about where these bad ideas are coming from, how can we win this 'war on terror' if cant even discuss it without walking on eggshells?

This quote sums it up better than I could by Muslim reformist Maajid Nawaz - "No idea is above scrutiny, no people are beneath dignity".

Spot on mate  

So do we view these actions as Islamic or Un-Islamic?  I am sure the majority of Muslims view them as the latter.  I think it is important this is recognised.  If their actions are Un-Islamic then are we using the right label when we call them Muslim terrorists?    

Martyrdom is a tenet of Islam so looking at it from a literal interpretation, yes these actions are Islamic. However, very few people from any religion literally follow it to the word, the same goes for Hindus, Christians, Jews etc etc. I personally wouldn't call them muslim terrorists for that reason. I'd call them Islamist terrorists or Jihadists. Islamist (not to be confused with Islamic) being the people who want to spread Islam politically, Jihadist being those that do it in a violent way.

I'm no scholar but pretty certain suicide and killing innocent people isn't following Islam to the word

[DaveShoelace]

The problem is how readily so many people conflate an idea (Islam) with the people who believe it (Muslims). We should be able to critique an idea without alienating the people who subscribe to it. Unfortunately you get racists on one end assuming all muslims are terrorists, and you get apologists on the other trying to censor people from debating this topic by falsely labelling critical voices as racists. We must be able to have honest discussions about where these bad ideas are coming from, how can we win this 'war on terror' if cant even discuss it without walking on eggshells?

This quote sums it up better than I could by Muslim reformist Maajid Nawaz - "No idea is above scrutiny, no people are beneath dignity".

Spot on mate  

So do we view these actions as Islamic or Un-Islamic?  I am sure the majority of Muslims view them as the latter.  I think it is important this is recognised.  If their actions are Un-Islamic then are we using the right label when we call them Muslim terrorists?    

Martyrdom is a tenet of Islam so looking at it from a literal interpretation, yes these actions are Islamic. However, very few people from any religion literally follow it to the word, the same goes for Hindus, Christians, Jews etc etc. I personally wouldn't call them muslim terrorists for that reason. I'd call them Islamist terrorists or Jihadists. Islamist (not to be confused with Islamic) being the people who want to spread Islam politically, Jihadist being those that do it in a violent way.

I'm no scholar but pretty certain suicide and killing innocent people isn't following Islam to the word

Suicide and killing innocent people is not, but the promise of paradise if you die killing the enemies of Islam are in both the quran and the hadith. Obviously this in itself is an issue of interpretation of who those enemies of Islam are, one which the vast majority of muslims would agree these poor people in Belgium were not.

[Jon MW]

Deuteronomy 2:33-34
"The LORD our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them--men, women and children. We left no survivors."

The Bible certainly seems to support the odd bit of killing when it comes to God's enemies as well.

[RED-DOG]

The problem is how readily so many people conflate an idea (Islam) with the people who believe it (Muslims). We should be able to critique an idea without alienating the people who subscribe to it. Unfortunately you get racists on one end assuming all muslims are terrorists, and you get apologists on the other trying to censor people from debating this topic by falsely labelling critical voices as racists. We must be able to have honest discussions about where these bad ideas are coming from, how can we win this 'war on terror' if cant even discuss it without walking on eggshells?

This quote sums it up better than I could by Muslim reformist Maajid Nawaz - "No idea is above scrutiny, no people are beneath dignity".

Fair comment Barry.

[neeko]

For comparison 70 people will be killed on European roads today, tomorrow and everyday forward.

I know which will get more media coverage.

[TightEnd]

If #Brussels feared a terrorist attack, why was its airport security so lax? http://bit.ly/1UKYMW9