Djokovic

[vegaslover]

Djokovic the absolute Goat, just makes it look so easy.

I'm with other posters who prefer older eras for diversity though. Same for changing balls to make all games rally fests. Preferred Wimbledon with serve and volley as an example.

[The Camel]

Where does Murray rate in terms of all time? 

I was thinking yesterday before the match if he had won, he'd be up there for greatest Scottish sports star in my lifetime. 

Wouldn't be too hard to be fair lol

Even by your standards, that is a pretty silly post.

Without giving it too much thought:

Stephen Hendry - arguably the greatest snooker player of all time.
Kenny Dalglish - in the top 10 of anyone's all time greatest footballers
Jimmy Johnstone - genius
Bill Shankly
Fergie
Jim Clark
Jackie Stewart
David Wilkie
Jocky Wilson - capable of beating anyone on his day
Gavin Hastings
Andy Irvine
Ken Buchanan
Chris Hoy
Old and Young Tom Morris
Willie Carson

Enough to prove you wrong?

[arbboy]

Not sure where muzz would go on that list tbh.

Other notables would be

Monty
Gary Anderson
John Higgins
Alan Hansen
Souness
Jim watt
Liz mccolgan
Allan wells
Ricky Burns - only ever three weight world boxing champ for Scotland
Archie gemmall get on this list???

[Woodsey]

Where does Murray rate in terms of all time? 

I was thinking yesterday before the match if he had won, he'd be up there for greatest Scottish sports star in my lifetime. 

Wouldn't be too hard to be fair lol

Even by your standards, that is a pretty silly post.

Without giving it too much thought:

Stephen Hendry - arguably the greatest snooker player of all time.
Kenny Dalglish - in the top 10 of anyone's all time greatest footballers
Jimmy Johnstone - genius
Bill Shankly
Fergie
Jim Clark
Jackie Stewart
David Wilkie
Jocky Wilson - capable of beating anyone on his day
Gavin Hastings
Andy Irvine
Ken Buchanan
Chris Hoy
Old and Young Tom Morris
Willie Carson

Enough to prove you wrong?

No, a few of those I don't even consider sports people, so maybe only Kenny Dalgleish and Chris Hoy from that list.

[TightEnd]

pardon?

you are dismissing olympic gold medals swimmers and boxers, an all time great jockey, some of the best football managers, a birtish lions captain and grand slam winning rugby full back, three time F1 champion etc as not sports people?

[Woodsey]

pardon?

you are dismissing olympic gold medals swimmers and boxers, an all time great jockey, some of the best football managers, a birtish lions captain and grand slam winning rugby full back, three time F1 champion etc as not sports people?

Darts, snooker, jockeys, football mangers, racing drivers are not in the same category as proper athletes in my book. Can't really compare Andy Murray with those.

[doubleup]

pardon?

you are dismissing olympic gold medals swimmers and boxers, an all time great jockey, some of the best football managers, a birtish lions captain and grand slam winning rugby full back, three time F1 champion etc as not sports people?

Darts, snooker, jockeys, football mangers, racing drivers are not in the same category as proper athletes in my book. Can't really compare Andy Murray with those.

The original post was "sports star" and that widens the field a lot.

[Tonibell]

By the standards of the upper-class Victorians who invented or at least codified most sports - they being the first ones with the time and the money - tennis is not a sport at all. Sport involves exertion and physical danger. So a sportsman would ride to hounds and climb Alps but not play tennis which was a game for ladies on vicarage lawns. The idea that what Murray does is on a par with racing drivers of the heroic era like Clark would have seemed laughable.

[arbboy]

Muzz is right at the top end of these discussions though.  Whether he is the best jock sportsman ever or not is hard to say but there is no doubt he is right up there all time for me.

[Rod Paradise]

Where does Murray rate in terms of all time? 

I was thinking yesterday before the match if he had won, he'd be up there for greatest Scottish sports star in my lifetime. 

Wouldn't be too hard to be fair lol

Even by your standards, that is a pretty silly post.

Without giving it too much thought:

Stephen Hendry - arguably the greatest snooker player of all time.
Kenny Dalglish - in the top 10 of anyone's all time greatest footballers
Jimmy Johnstone - genius
Bill Shankly
Fergie
Jim Clark
Jackie Stewart
David Wilkie
Jocky Wilson - capable of beating anyone on his day
Gavin Hastings
Andy Irvine
Ken Buchanan
Chris Hoy
Old and Young Tom Morris
Willie Carson

Enough to prove you wrong?

No, a few of those I don't even consider sports people, so maybe only Kenny Dalgleish and Chris Hoy from that list.

 

[Rod Paradise]

Muzz is right at the top end of these discussions though.  Whether he is the best jock sportsman ever or not is hard to say but there is no doubt he is right up there all time for me.

I agree, I count tennis as one of the toughest of the sports (no taking a breather while teammates take on the main action etc).

[The Camel]

Muzz is right at the top end of these discussions though.  Whether he is the best jock sportsman ever or not is hard to say but there is no doubt he is right up there all time for me.

I agree, I count tennis as one of the toughest of the sports (no taking a breather while teammates take on the main action etc).

Murray is incredibly unlucky to around when three of the absolute GOAT tennis players are at their peak.

You've got to think if he played against the likes of Connors, Sampras, Mac, Lendl, Agassi, Becker or Edberg he'd be closing in on around 10 slam wins.

Although maybe the strength of the opposition he's faced has pushed him to the extremely high levels he plays at now.

[DungBeetle]

Muzz is right at the top end of these discussions though.  Whether he is the best jock sportsman ever or not is hard to say but there is no doubt he is right up there all time for me.

I agree, I count tennis as one of the toughest of the sports (no taking a breather while teammates take on the main action etc).

Murray is incredibly unlucky to around when three of the absolute GOAT tennis players are at their peak.

You've got to think if he played against the likes of Connors, Sampras, Mac, Lendl, Agassi, Becker or Edberg he'd be closing in on around 10 slam wins.

Although maybe the strength of the opposition he's faced has pushed him to the extremely high levels he plays at now.

I agree he'd have been clear number 1 in the Roddick/Hewitt era but I think you're being a bit harsh on the likes of Sampras, Lendl and Agassi making them sound well below Murray!

[arbboy]

Muzz is right at the top end of these discussions though.  Whether he is the best jock sportsman ever or not is hard to say but there is no doubt he is right up there all time for me.

I agree, I count tennis as one of the toughest of the sports (no taking a breather while teammates take on the main action etc).

Murray is incredibly unlucky to around when three of the absolute GOAT tennis players are at their peak.

You've got to think if he played against the likes of Connors, Sampras, Mac, Lendl, Agassi, Becker or Edberg he'd be closing in on around 10 slam wins.

Although maybe the strength of the opposition he's faced has pushed him to the extremely high levels he plays at now.

I agree he'd have been clear number 1 in the Roddick/Hewitt era but I think you're being a bit harsh on the likes of Sampras, Lendl and Agassi making them sound well below Murray!

My thoughts exactly.  Couldn't have put it better.

[The Camel]

Muzz is right at the top end of these discussions though.  Whether he is the best jock sportsman ever or not is hard to say but there is no doubt he is right up there all time for me.

I agree, I count tennis as one of the toughest of the sports (no taking a breather while teammates take on the main action etc).

Murray is incredibly unlucky to around when three of the absolute GOAT tennis players are at their peak.

You've got to think if he played against the likes of Connors, Sampras, Mac, Lendl, Agassi, Becker or Edberg he'd be closing in on around 10 slam wins.

Although maybe the strength of the opposition he's faced has pushed him to the extremely high levels he plays at now.

I'd make Murray a decent favourite against all 3 on any surface except versus Sampras on grass.

I agree he'd have been clear number 1 in the Roddick/Hewitt era but I think you're being a bit harsh on the likes of Sampras, Lendl and Agassi making them sound well below Murray!