another courcheval hi lo hand

[Ironside]

this time we are 2/12 just moved to this table when we went down to 12 players
not played with cologne before
digga just want to get into pots with me after i showed him a bluff on the bubble
and shadow loves his lows and flushes
average stack is about 40 or 50k

can i fold this ? plenty of easy chips out there


 Tournament #1696714839, $2.00+$0.20 USD Courchevel Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XXI (900/1800) - 2016/10/19 0:04:53 WET [2016/10/18 19:04:53 ET]
Table '1696714839 5' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: cologne9 (80678 in chips)
Seat 2: Ironside (88437 in chips)
Seat 3: ejus (29497 in chips)
Seat 4: digga990 (61510 in chips)
Seat 5: shadow35444 (17656 in chips)
Seat 6: lebed2009 (23604 in chips)
digga990: posts small blind 900
shadow35444: posts big blind 1800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ Ah ]
*** HOLE CARDS *** []*** HOLE CARDSPRE-FLOP *** []
lebed2009: folds
cologne9: raises 4500 to 6300
Ironside: calls 6300
ejus: folds
digga990: calls 5400
shadow35444: raises 11356 to 17656 and is all-in
cologne9: raises 11356 to 29012

[redsimon]

Hate those one way "set" hands with not many redraws, what will you do if the flop comes all spades with two more low cards? You'll be gambling for stacks with at best a draw to half? If there's easier money elsewhere can fold and watch the carnage?

[fidget1]

If you're not prepared to get it in against the chip leader here then pass to the initial raise.
Worst case scenario is you're up against nut low nut flush draw and overpair and you'd still have well over 40% equity against that if you were heads up getting scooped about 25% of the time
They should be holding a good few of each others outs so I'd happily get it in.

[fidget1]

I'd just as happily pass to the initial raise though.
It's a great game and really makes you think.

[Ironside]

Hate those one way "set" hands with not many redraws, what will you do if the flop comes all spades with two more low cards? You'll be gambling for stacks with at best a draw to half? If there's easier money elsewhere can fold and watch the carnage?

i wouldnt be calling the 4 bet its a shove or fold IMHO

[Longines]

It's a great game and really makes you think.

This. Like the shove, like the fold, really not sure what I'd do in the game. In a vacuum I think I'd fold.

[Ironside]

ok guys lets say the 8's are 9's does this make the shove easier?

[Longines]

ok guys lets say the 8's are 9's does this make the shove easier?

With the JT in your hand as well it's much easier.

[fidget1]

ok guys lets say the 8's are 9's does this make the shove easier?

With the JT in your hand as well it's much easier.

9's makes it a fist pump get it in there.
You gain far more equity because of a low being less likely so are now 55%+ 3 way against AA234ds and KK234

Have a play about with pro poker tools - just use the 5 card o8 sim

[Longines]

fidget, do you know of a 6O odds calculator? Looked for one occasionally for years but not found one so far.

PS Welcome to blonde.

[fidget1]

don't know of one i'm afraid

thanks - not been on for years

[strak33]

Agree with fold to initial raise and obviously if it was then it is get in.