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Re: Split Ivey.
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Quote from: neeko on July 13, 2017, 05:31:18 PM
Ivey's appeal goes to the Supreme Court next week, here is a long write up of his career and related poker history.
https://theringer.com/phil-ivey-world-series-of-poker-51cd56b8cccf
Great read, thanks for posting
Case kicks off at 10.30 this morning - live stream on the supreme court website
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The latest of the 30 for 30 podcasts is about the Ivey edge sorting cases.
It focuses more on the Chinese accomplice but she has quite an interesting story.
30for30podcasts.com
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Quote from: AndrewT on July 20, 2017, 12:20:10 PM
The latest of the 30 for 30 podcasts is about the Ivey edge sorting cases.
It focuses more on the Chinese accomplice but she has quite an interesting story.
30for30podcasts.com
Incredible listen.... ty for posting
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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/oct/25/poker-player-phil-ivey-loses-court-battle-over-77m-winnings-from-london-casino?CMP=share_btn_tw
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quote from the piece
"...one of the most significant decisions in criminal law in a generation.”
"The concept of dishonesty is central to a whole range of offences, including fraud."
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Quote from: TightEnd on October 25, 2017, 12:59:16 PM
quote from the piece
"...one of the most significant decisions in criminal law in a generation.”
"The concept of dishonesty is central to a whole range of offences, including fraud."
says lawyer seriously worried about getting paid....
It was a bit odd that the judges went into a wider area, given that they say it didn't matter in Ivey's case (I might be wrong as I just skimmed to the end of the judgement)
Therefore in the present case, if, contrary to the conclusions arrived at above,
there were in cheating at gambling an additional legal element of dishonesty, it
would be satisfied by the application of the test as set out above.
The judge did not
get to the question of dishonesty and did not need to do so
. But it is a fallacy to
suggest that his finding that Mr Ivey was truthful when he said that he did not regard
what he did as cheating amounted to a finding that his behaviour was honest. It was
not. It was a finding that he was, in that respect, truthful. Truthfulness is indeed one
characteristic of honesty, and untruthfulness is often a powerful indicator of
dishonesty, but a dishonest person may sometimes be truthful about his dishonest
opinions, as indeed was the defendant in Gilks. For the same reasons which show
that Mr Ivey’s conduct was, contrary to his own opinion, cheating, the better view
would be, if the question arose, that his conduct was, contrary to his own opinion,
also dishonest
https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0213-judgment.pdf
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Quote from: tikay on October 25, 2017, 11:09:49 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/oct/25/poker-player-phil-ivey-loses-court-battle-over-77m-winnings-from-london-casino?CMP=share_btn_tw
Sky News piece on Ivey has Nick Wealthhall as the “poker expert”........were you taking your nap?
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Victoria Coren M.Verified account @VictoriaCoren
In today's Observer: does Phil Ivey ever really lose...? I'm thinking it through like a poker hand.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/28/casinos-gamble-on-their-credibility
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June 09, 2020, 01:28:24 PM »
Write up of the case in the Supreme Court by Joshua Rozenberg
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/june-2020/stinger-stung/
Then it is being discussed today at 4pm on radio 4 (law in action)
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Quote from: neeko on June 09, 2020, 01:28:24 PM
Write up of the case in the Supreme Court by Joshua Rozenberg
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/june-2020/stinger-stung/
Then it is being discussed today at 4pm on radio 4 (law in action)
Thanks for the heads-up. (Love radio stuff me)
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