All in poker / El Blondie

[luckyblind]

Folks, I think there is some uber sensitivity going on here. Adam posted a valid concern about Dave Colclough's email being used falsely in what he inferred was a 'Pyramid scheme'. So therefore there are two things that are potentially damaging to All In Poker's business. Within a few hours you had the CEO on this forum making a post which tried to clear up a few points. He actually consulted me before posting his initial response and I said to him 'They are going to read this as spam but I don't know how you can explain why it is not a pyramid scheme in any other way'. Paul openly admits he is not used to posting on forums and is not sure of what is within boundaries or not. I don't believe he can cover all bases without posting this information. It looks like it is spam but telling people they will get to the source of the email takes a few words whereas explaining the difference between a pyramid scheme and a multi level marketing scheme takes a lot more.

More importantly is the issue about someone pretending to be Dave. He has said that they will investigate, I hope Adam has sent him the email so it can be traced (which it will be). It has obviously been sent by a numpty and they will be stopped from sending anymore.

I was one of the first members of this forum and since then have (I hope) become friends with and built up a good working relationship with Tikay and team. I am often live updating from the same events and we have always helped each other out. What I am trying to say is that hopefully my word has some standing here by now. I have has a close relationship with All In Poker since its conception and incidents like this I can assure infuriate them as much as the people involved like Adam & Dave.

Just a point on multiple emails coming through, I recently sent an invite to a friend to join another site (which is respected and used by this forum's posters) and it has arrived in his mailbox 3 times yet I sent it once. I also could have said in the custom text box anything I liked.

Regards

Mike

[elblondie]

I actually like the all-in poker idea. The bottom line is that they give 51% of the rake back to the punters. No other Prima site matches this. So it is clearly the most favourable to play on.

However, I am upset that someone has used my name.

Further moreso, I am devasted by the fact they appear to have broken into my email account to do so. I am getting failed to send messages back in my bigfoot Inbox. this indicates to me, that the culprit has managed to use my bigfoot email address to send the Invitations. I personally see this as Fraud. Has anyone got any idea how this is possible? If so, could they PM me?

[robyong]

Dave,

I get a periodic - maybe every 4 weeks email from your big foot account asking me to join all-in poker. In fact, this goes back maybe 5 months, sorry, I should have mentioned it to you but I assumed it was a genuine mail. Cray how these boys can hack into your account, if you close your bigfoot account it should stop I would have thought.

Rob

[Div]

Dave I doubt they've hacked your account. More likely they are simply spoofing the reply to address.

It's not difficult at all to send an email which ostensibly comes from any chosen person, but in actual fact is sent from somewhere completely different.

[ifm]

Try sending an email to Rob that is defo from you and compare the 2 (the source should be different) if they are the same then you will know for sure.

[allinpoker]

Hello,

I have commissioned detailed reports this morning related to invitations and reminders from All In Poker associated with people mentioned on this forum.

No one has received an Invitation Reminder from All In Poker that was not originally sent by the respective registered member of All In Poker.

What has happened is that some people have now received a Reminder for an Invitation that originally may have been sent up to 5 months ago (when we were still in pre-launch BETA Testing with a small select group of people). In some cases the author/sender may have forgotten they sent it - and the recipient may not have had any contact with the sender for several months - hence it looks like Spam or a hack. Neither is the case.

The most likely reason that the original invitation was not received is because it ended up in a junk filter. The most likely reason for this is that at that time All In Poker was not a Bonded Sender (you must be live for 90 days to be a Bonded Sender). We are now live for 90 days and are now a Bonded Sender.

We have received requests from some of our top affiliates, many of whom have sent many invitations to friends, colleagues and business partners, to resend their invitations for them as a service (there is no mass resend tool in All In Poker). We have also received many complaints related to people who had been sent invitations but had not received them.

Yesterday (Friday) we sent out Reminders including those that we considered might never have reached their intended recipient because we were not Bonded at the time. This was a once-off exercise related to the Bonding Certification, and it has now happily resulted in sign-ups for some of those people, which is of course the intended result. All reminders were sent exactly as they were originally sent by the author - in exactly the same format using exactly the same words and exactly the same recipient email information as the original invitation.

I accept that we should have known that this might cause confusion with sender and/or recipient in some cases. And it has, for which I apologise to Dave Colclough.

Please remember, All In Poker is all about relationships marketing - i.e. marketing to people with whom you have a relationship. That is how we can afford to give 51% of the net revenues back to our players - because we don't spend this cash on marketing. You send invites to your friends, acquaintances and business partners, period.

All Invitations come with an Unsubscribe link, and no Invitations, which had previously been rejected using this link, were resent.

Regards,
Paul Barnes
ceo@allinpoker.com

I actually like the all-in poker idea. The bottom line is that they give 51% of the rake back to the punters. No other Prima site matches this. So it is clearly the most favourable to play on.

However, I am upset that someone has used my name.

Further moreso, I am devasted by the fact they appear to have broken into my email account to do so. I am getting failed to send messages back in my bigfoot Inbox. this indicates to me, that the culprit has managed to use my bigfoot email address to send the Invitations. I personally see this as Fraud. Has anyone got any idea how this is possible? If so, could they PM me?

[henrik777]

If i recall correctly i signed up via blonde and it was Rhowena's name that came up.

I know people who have had emails from "ebay" asking them to join the powerseller program even when they have sold nothing. This is the internet and fake stuff happens. They said they'll investigate so give them a chance.

Sandy

[TightEnd]

can we have allinpokers' spam reply removed from this thread?

no Adam, there are two questions here

a) DC's name being used on e-mails, which they have promised to investigate

b) the mechanics and ethics of all-in poker. IMHO the CEO is allowed right of reply to issues raised on this thread in that regard

[elblondie]

Just to clarify.
a) My email system has not been broken into
b) all-in poker sent approx 50 emails on 3rd Sept that appeared to be from me. They did this without my permission or knowledge.
c) I have registered my complaints on the subject and have asked that they do not do this again in the future
d) I have received an apology

[12barblues]

can we have allinpokers' spam reply removed from this thread?

no Adam, there are two questions here

a) DC's name being used on e-mails, which they have promised to investigate

b) the mechanics and ethics of all-in poker. IMHO the CEO is allowed right of reply to issues raised on this thread in that regard

 

But this is worrying....

Just to clarify.

b) all-in poker sent approx 50 emails on 3rd Sept that appeared to be from me. They did this without my permission or knowledge.
c) I have registered my complaints on the subject and have asked that they do not do this again in the future
d) I have received an apology

Was this really the site's doing, or were they duped by an unscrupulous affiliate?

I was contemplating depositing on Prima, probably through AllIn Poker because of the Blonde link, but I don't want to touch any site that would deliberately behave in this kind of unethical manner.

Clarification would be appreciated, Mr. Barnes.

[allinpoker]

Hi,

Paul Barnes here.

If your check in your luggage at the airport and watch it going down the conveyor belt towards the airplane, you trust the baggage handlers to to put your bags on the plane. If they don't, you get very upset. Many of our bags fell off, because the conveyor belt wasn't properly set up. We put the bags back on the conveyor belt, as a service to the owner, who had gone to a lot of trouble to pack the bag in the first place. We didn't introduce any new bags, repack any existing bags, change the names or the barcodes, the origin or the destination, the weight, the contents, the colour - nothing. We ensured that the service commitment was fulfilled.

We ensured that the invitations originally penned by the owners got through to the intended recipient. That is all. And, guess what, people are signing up, in the downlines where they should have signed up weeks ago. No message was sent that was not already submitted by the respective author in the first place.

So, don't talk to me about ethics, parasites, pyramids or any other unsubstantiated visions you may have.

This was a once-off service to address complaints about the conveyor belt.

Regards,
Paul

can we have allinpokers' spam reply removed from this thread?

no Adam, there are two questions here

a) DC's name being used on e-mails, which they have promised to investigate

b) the mechanics and ethics of all-in poker. IMHO the CEO is allowed right of reply to issues raised on this thread in that regard

 

But this is worrying....

Just to clarify.

b) all-in poker sent approx 50 emails on 3rd Sept that appeared to be from me. They did this without my permission or knowledge.
c) I have registered my complaints on the subject and have asked that they do not do this again in the future
d) I have received an apology

Was this really the site's doing, or were they duped by an unscrupulous affiliate?

I was contemplating depositing on Prima, probably through AllIn Poker because of the Blonde link, but I don't want to touch any site that would deliberately behave in this kind of unethical manner.

Clarification would be appreciated, Mr. Barnes.

[Ironside]

ok i will comment on all in poker and the "benifits" of 51% rake back

if you play alot of poker you dont get anywhere near 51% of your rake back
what you get is a share of other people rake if they are in your downline
if nobody in your downline plays you get 0$ in rake back where as the people
at the top of the chain gets paid your rake so
as a matter of fact it works just like a chain letter
the people at the top get rich while we plebs at the bottom get nothing

if that aint a fact then prove me wrong

[MrMoves]

ok i will comment on all in poker and the "benifits" of 51% rake back

if you play alot of poker you dont get anywhere near 51% of your rake back
what you get is a share of other people rake if they are in your downline
if nobody in your downline plays you get 0$ in rake back where as the people
at the top of the chain gets paid your rake so
as a matter of fact it works just like a chain letter
the people at the top get rich while we plebs at the bottom get nothing

if that aint a fact then prove me wrong

Is this true?  You get no rake back if you refer nobody?

LOL!

 

It gets better!

[Ironside]

no you get rake no rake back if people below you in the downline dont play

i have 10 people in my download none of them play so no matter how much i play i get $0 rake back

so i dont bother playing

[MrMoves]

There are so many better options, really.

I'll sit on my fingers and say nothing else.