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« on: March 24, 2017, 07:47:59 PM »


https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/Smartphones-banned-in-Social-Experiment-poker-event_100342/
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2017, 07:56:15 PM »

I love the idea, young and old we are all becoming more addicted to tech and it's making us all less social.

Not sure it will make this event mega chatty, might even be a tad awkward, but hope more events do the same.

Already seeing the mood hoovers on twitter complaining about this like it's a breach of human rights.











I'm biased though given I fell pray to quite a clanger of a hand because the chap next to me couldn't hear me because of his headphones.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2017, 07:58:10 PM »

I love the idea, young and old we are all becoming more addicted to tech and it's making us all less social.

Not sure it will make this event mega chatty, might even be a tad awkward, but hope more events do the same.

Already seeing the mood hoovers on twitter complaining about this like it's a breach of human rights.











I'm biased though given I fell pray to quite a clanger of a hand because the chap next to me couldn't hear me because of his headphones.

I remember that incident very well.

Your opponent's online alias was....HappyNige.

AmIright?
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2017, 08:04:17 PM »

Double edged sword really, used to love the live game and the buzz and banter it created, Notts gala....what a good crack that was on a Friday night  Cheesy

Think these days I'd be bored without something to look at or read as it just doesn't excite me that much, but that is at least in part my problem, nothing stays exciting forever.......I guess a lot of the characters that were a laugh were degens, and by definition have probably gone skint so can't afford to play any more either.

Oh well, back to stealing free films from the internet on a Friday night  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2017, 08:16:45 PM »

I love the idea, young and old we are all becoming more addicted to tech and it's making us all less social.

Not sure it will make this event mega chatty, might even be a tad awkward, but hope more events do the same.

Already seeing the mood hoovers on twitter complaining about this like it's a breach of human rights.











I'm biased though given I fell pray to quite a clanger of a hand because the chap next to me couldn't hear me because of his headphones.

I remember that incident very well.

Your opponent's online alias was....HappyNige.

AmIright?

Yep, lovely bloke though we always have a giggle about it
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2017, 10:21:56 AM »

good at the recreational end of the market i would think

likely to be fierce resistance at the festival endwhere its less about having fun and more simon serious bollocks
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2017, 11:54:29 AM »

I think people get too hung up on this sort of thing. We all know that everything evolves and changes as time goes by and history can distort itself it making us think things used to be much better than they actually were. Personally it doesn't surprise me that it seems less social at the poker table, the fact that so much training information is available and people seem to take the game a lot more serious can lead to people seeming scared to death to even start a conversation in case they give off some sort of "tell" because they stopped talking during a hand or the tone of their voice changed.

That being said I do think that just because this view about hoodies and headphones is aired regularly means it must be true is not accurate, I managed to get down to Luton G last week for the first time in a while (Quick well done to Jim and the team, Tuesday tournament £77 with £1980 to winner is not bad for a midweek game) and from the 70/80 odd people (I think) there I didn't see anyone wearing a hoodie, the card room was buzzing with conversation and the only reason I had one headphone in (my right ear) was because of the fantastic tones of Mrs Phan did not stop for the 3 hours we were on the same table (still trying to understand what I have actually agreed to). My point is that any normal night at the local casino seems always very sociable as you get to see the same people over a period of time and over that time you get to know each other. Now that may changed at bigger festivals but nobody talks to a stranger like they do someone they have been playing poker with for months or even years.
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2017, 12:13:58 AM »

I dunno - the way things are "live- streamed" now and the extra information you can use a smartphone for seems to be a unnecessary addition to the table.
But we all can use them so its not unfair, I just think its one of those double edged swords that technology provides. To a younger player who did not
live in a time before phones it must seem unreasonable to ban them. If all player agree to rules the event could be fun but its like a "revival night" games changed
and there's no back in the day in poker you have to adapt or play another game if its social interaction that's the most important.
I organised games around london back in the days when poker was almost a fashion thing. All the Friday night people would come and get drunk.
There were  pretty girls at cash games,  It was very sociable and cool to  say you were involved in the poker scene.
But I also remember before when poker was only in casinos or illegal venues. wasn't so sociable then either sometimes you would worry you would get
hurt physically not just financially.  The people that played were sometimes shifty and took advantage of new players not knowing the rules it could be
intimidating. 
Now its a sport almost - I think I prefer it in some ways, everyone knows the rules mostly and you can play at anytime/anywhere.  You can imagine
20-30 years conteversies in poker from accelerated learning and memory implants.  I will be that 80 year old degenerate who smells vaugly of piss and cabbage
protesting to the AI card manager that the kids cheating and using a time machine to outplay me.

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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2017, 09:23:27 AM »

I hope this tournament gets a huge overlay and they ditch the idea. I hate it, especially given the buy-in.

I'm okay with a ban on phones being used at the table, with a caveat that allows people to listen to music provided the device your headphones are attached to is in sight at all times - Watching the live stream or using phones for notes or as a live HUD while playing needs to go away forever.

Sunglasses: I can get this one a little bit, but given some people have a medical need for them, you have two possibilities - An outright ban, which prevents people with certain eyesight problems from playing, and allow them for people with eye problems which others will blag that to gain an advantage, which I think is tough to enforce, if not impossible. Don't feel that strongly about this one, but definitely against it. Given that this tournament is in America, 1.01 this ends in a lawsuit when someone gets DQed for sunglasses with a medical issue after being allowed to play.

Hoodies: I despise dress codes at the best of times, and to ban hoodies is totally unnecessary. Hoodies being "antisocial" is a ridiculous stigma in the first place in a casino. You're sat around a table, you're just as welcome to speak to me as I am to speak to you, yet a lot of people won't even try. Break the stereotypes about hoodies that you have in your mind by making an effort to interact with me, if you're really that bothered about me not speaking to the table. I'll always respond if people speak to me, and you'll probably find me generally amicable. And that's probably the case for most others wearing hoodies too. Yes, maybe some of us are quiet at times, but antisocial? Hell no. We're not bloody criminals ffs. I'm here to play Poker, not mug you and run off with your wallet. I've always found the loud guy who has had too much to drink far more antisocial than anyone in a hoodie (Actually happened @ my 2nd live MTT and put me off live Poker for a little while because I didn't want to be that guy with headphones at the time, nor did I want to deal with drunk morons) which brings me nicely onto...

Headphones: You're sat at a table with eight other people, who you've never met before. If you last more than a few levels, you're going to get moved to a different table a fair few times throughout the tournament. Therefore, there's a decent chance that at some point during the tournament, you're going to be on a table with someone who pisses you off, because humans suck sometimes. Maybe it's the shouty drunk guy, or maybe the table conversation has changed to "reasons why online Poker is rigged" and you can't be bothered to listen to that nonsense for the next half an hour in case stupidity has become contagious, or Will Kassouf. Sometimes humans are annoying and I want to be able to 'mute' them. Besides, if people don't want to talk, they're not going to, regardless of whether they have headphones or not - You'll only get a negative or disinterested response, instead of a clear signal that "I don't want to speak right now", which is more rude IMO. If anything, I think you're going to see people getting into arguments at the table when they can't just slip their headphones on discretely if someone insists on pushing them to chat when they don't want to talk, or you really can't handle the shouty drunk bloke any more. I know which of those two is better for the game. (HINT: It's the headphones.)

The buy-in: How many people actually turn up to a weeknight £20 freezeout dressed like a wannabe pro with their Pokerstars hoodie? Admittedly my town doesn't have a casino so I only really play things I satellite into online, but I would imagine it's a pretty relaxed environment where everyone knows everyone, and people are far more chatty because it's the same regs every Wednesday night or w/e. It's already an unwritten rule that if you turn up to a £20 Freezeout thinking you're Phil Ivey, then you're probably being a bit of a nob. I find it hard to imagine the games at low buy-ins being overly filled with the kind of players that this change seeks to remove, which is the buy in level where I'd reluctantly accept this kind of change, but the rule seems unnecessary in the first place for those stakes. As the buy-in gets bigger, I think it gets progressively more wrong to have a rule like this. If you're expecting your customers to pay a substantial BI, $350 of their own money in this case, then you have to recognise that some people are playing for amounts of money that are significant to them, and players should be allowed to focus on the game and block out the table chit chat if they wish, and wear clothes of their choice.

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Personally, I wear a hoodie for comfort (and I don't even have the hood up half the time), and headphones are only for when people start doing my nut in, so it's not like I'm maximising my edge and being totally dull to the rest of the table from the first hand. If rules like these were to become universal, I would probably stop playing live Poker. I'm pretty shy/quiet/introverted, and I despise small talk, so the requirement to ditch the headphones in particular and obligation to socialise no matter what would kill the enjoyment of the game, for me.

I do understand why people get annoyed with people who rock up on their starting table, and straight away get the headphones and sunglasses out, and the hoodie goes up, particularly recreational players, but it's not something I think should be changed.
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2017, 12:38:05 PM »

Surely the rule must be no Hoodies with the hood up? Ridiculous if it is a block ban on hoodies.

I don't like the idea personally. Not every human is a social butterfly that should feel obligated to be chatting away all the time. I play poker because I like the challenge and the competition and I find it relaxing, sometimes I will want to chat, most of the time I don't.

This just seems like noisy people wanting more people to listen to them. This sort of thing just shouldn't be policed.
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2017, 12:57:10 PM »

good at the recreational end of the market i would think

likely to be fierce resistance at the festival endwhere its less about having fun and more simon serious bollocks

I really hope someone adopts this as their poker-moniker.  It would seriously brighten up the WSOP coverage if they were on the feature table Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2017, 11:26:49 AM »

Hope the spam is ok (given the thread started by Tikay kindly spamming me I assume all is ok with this un)

Interviewed Matt Savage about this event

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/100391/

It's remarkable how many people are trying to find loopholes in this event rather than just try see if they like playing without tech for a day or two
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2017, 01:45:18 PM »

Hope the spam is ok (given the thread started by Tikay kindly spamming me I assume all is ok with this un)

Interviewed Matt Savage about this event

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/100391/

It's remarkable how many people are trying to find loopholes in this event rather than just try see if they like playing without tech for a day or two

The spam is 100% fine. It's actually tough to get anyone to post much about poker (or anything else), so the more the better.

Loved (as in NOT) some of that feedback. WAL these guys lead when they get cross about such a triviality.


I was tempted to start a thread about the poll that Danny Negreanu posted on Twitter a few days ago - did you see it? I thought it was fascinating. (76% of 8,000 respondents voted to ban HUD's & third party software). Unforch, it is another of those subjects where many people seem unable to debate or discuss without getting seriously exercised.
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2017, 01:51:32 PM »

Hope the spam is ok (given the thread started by Tikay kindly spamming me I assume all is ok with this un)

Interviewed Matt Savage about this event

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/100391/

It's remarkable how many people are trying to find loopholes in this event rather than just try see if they like playing without tech for a day or two

The spam is 100% fine. It's actually tough to get anyone to post much about poker (or anything else), so the more the better.

Loved (as in NOT) some of that feedback. WAL these guys lead when they get cross about such a triviality.


I was tempted to start a thread about the poll that Danny Negreanu posted on Twitter a few days ago - did you see it? I thought it was fascinating. (76% of 8,000 respondents voted to ban HUD's & third party software). Unforch, it is another of those subjects where many people seem unable to debate or discuss without getting seriously exercised.

Ok just because you love this stuff, more spam

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/Do-poker-players-live-in-a-bubble-_100330/

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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2017, 01:58:28 PM »

Hope the spam is ok (given the thread started by Tikay kindly spamming me I assume all is ok with this un)

Interviewed Matt Savage about this event

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/100391/

It's remarkable how many people are trying to find loopholes in this event rather than just try see if they like playing without tech for a day or two

The spam is 100% fine. It's actually tough to get anyone to post much about poker (or anything else), so the more the better.

Loved (as in NOT) some of that feedback. WAL these guys lead when they get cross about such a triviality.


I was tempted to start a thread about the poll that Danny Negreanu posted on Twitter a few days ago - did you see it? I thought it was fascinating. (76% of 8,000 respondents voted to ban HUD's & third party software). Unforch, it is another of those subjects where many people seem unable to debate or discuss without getting seriously exercised.

Ok just because you love this stuff, more spam

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/Do-poker-players-live-in-a-bubble-_100330/



Some wonderfully subtle wording there, Mr C.


"It’s a common joke that poker players don’t have some of the basic life skills everybody else is expected to have."

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